There's something about a food that moves all by itself that gives me the heebie-jeebies.

Joyce ,'Never Leave Me'


Boxed Set, Vol. 1: Smallville, Due South, Farscape  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much anything else that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.


§ ita § - Jan 29, 2005 7:47:33 am PST #9406 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I thought the premise of concurrency involved humanity starting in one place (Kobol) and going to two places. I do have problems with the lineup, that becomes much more grating later in the series, but I think that concurrent is how it's supposed to be working (as has been explained by kindly folk here), and it's far more tenable than slotting it into pre or post.


Polter-Cow - Jan 29, 2005 7:49:14 am PST #9407 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

They created andriods and functional space battleships, but haven't gotten anything better than chemo and radiation to treat cancer?

Dude, those are two totally different technologies, and there's no reason why the ability to build giant metal things should correlate with the ability to fight cancer. If they had very advanced nanotechnology, however, that would be a different story.


DebetEsse - Jan 29, 2005 7:49:19 am PST #9408 of 10000
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I agree that it's the least problematic, but it's still kinda messy, which is my complaint.

P-C, I know they're very different. It's just that it would also strike me as odd if they had hybrid cars and hadn't figured out something like a sewing machine. That progress would be that isolated seems odd, to me.


Micole - Jan 29, 2005 7:53:16 am PST #9409 of 10000
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.

Concurrent problems: "Apollo"--They use a non-Earth name for their Olympus, but that one is the same, even though the implications of the theology is far more Christian than Greek/Roman.

This is the one thing that doesn't bug me, because it actually follows real-world rules of linguistic and cultural change (assuming the name, like the dialogue, is "translated" into English). It's entirely possibly they'd keep some of the names of Greek pantheon--or that Earth, their lost colony, would--while the rest of the mythology changes significantly.

They created andriods and functional space battleships, but haven't gotten anything better than chemo and radiation to treat cancer?

You might as well say "They can put human beings on the moon but haven't cured the common cold?" Developments in machine technology and medicine aren't necessarily congruent.

All the hand props look very now-like (eg-paint can).

It's more than that, it's that most of the customs and culture are very, very much particular to the contemporary US, or the mythology of it. Being ladylike is indicated by high-heeled shoes, conservative suits with skirts, and pearl earrings. Women wear black and Jackie-o half-veils to funerals. Military funerals involve folding the flag over the dead person's coffin. Prisoners wear orange track suits.

I've tried to give up on tracking this, because the culture is never going to be sufficiently alien for me, and either I give up on the show or I accept this as one of its characteristics and move on.


§ ita § - Jan 29, 2005 7:56:20 am PST #9410 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It's just that it would also strike me as odd if they had hybrid cars and hadn't figured out something like a sewing machine.

I do think those technologies are much more similar than medicine and robotics, though.

The Cylons could probably cure cancer, though.


DebetEsse - Jan 29, 2005 8:04:00 am PST #9411 of 10000
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I don't know. I understand what you're saying. It just seems like Cancer would be one of those things that you, as a society, would work on, if there wasn't an immediate other threat (which the Cylons weren't for a decent chunk of time). Although that may be it--they were too busy fighting the cylons for long enough that it pulled all their focus onto military, and everything else didn't get worked on so much. I could buy that.

I'd be fully ok with the odd cultural-ness (as I was/am with Firefly), if I hadn't taken the miniseries to present it to us as a puzzle for us to figure out how they relate to Earth.


JenP - Jan 29, 2005 8:12:05 am PST #9412 of 10000

The Cylons could probably cure cancer, though.

Instead, they just point and laugh.


§ ita § - Jan 29, 2005 8:20:57 am PST #9413 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I just redid Prometheus Unbound in my head with Jack instead of Daniel, and it was very fun. I still had to rein some stuff in, but a much better fit.


DXMachina - Jan 29, 2005 8:25:13 am PST #9414 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Heh. I did the same thing. The big difference was that the fight ended way sooner.


Sean K - Jan 29, 2005 8:28:13 am PST #9415 of 10000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Overthinking the prop and set designs for the new BSG is a dangerous endeavor. Because the choices they've made in design, costume, etc, are very clearly not meant to represent their reality, but to evoke a certain sensation of reality in the viewer. They do very well at evoking this sensation, but because (in this case) it's a bit of the whole being greater (or at least different) than the sum of its parts, if you start thinking too much about the specific parts, the "sensation of reality" stops making sense.

Besides, if you start poking at it too hard, you start having to ask why every single piece of paper in their entire society comes with the corners cut off at a jaunty angle.

Also --

Note to self: Never put Nutty in charge of your ragtag fleet. It brings out her worst dictatorial urges.