I love how shooting at Kal produced feathers everywhere. Is that a Kryptonian thing? They didn't hit that many pillows.

Down comforter on bed.

I don't get why it is that w/o Clark, suddenly the Kents lose their farm. But I really just shouldn't worry about that.

Without Lex, the Kents don't have protection from Lex's Dad or their creditors.

Heh. Sumi, I was right there with ya on the "but, but, there's gotta be better ways to commit supercrimes than breaking open ATMs and paying for a car with a bag full of cash? Geeez, Clark. Dumb."

This piece of red kryptonite apparently changes Clark in to a motorcycle-riding, bad-boy asshole, and it doesn't do much for his IQ. He's not Clark trying to be bad, his personality is altered and distorted.

And I, too wonder about the fingerprints. Someday they'll have Superman's fingerprints. Won't that be interesting.

So, you're telling me that the only sources of this "girl-liberation" movement that I've ever heard of are both by men, and one of them involves said liberated girl enjoying her own rape??

I'm saying that you've only encountered the distant shadows of the original Platonic source, as purveyed by some men.

That sort of speaks ill for the movement, you think?

No, the actual movement declined to propagate itself in the major media, contracting and going further underground. Unless you actually own copies of the zine Girl Germs you've probably never seen the actual movement.

Down comforter on bed.

Really? Just looked like satin sheets to me.

No, the actual movement declined to propagate itself in the major media, contracting and going further underground. Unless you actually own copies of the zine Girl Germs you've probably never seen the actual movement.

Yep. Conscious rejection of the media, actually.

Lot of cool ideals, when I think about it. Just... lot of other stuff got in the way, as always.

Sorry ita, Just fanwanking there. I had planned to put a smiley next to it.

I actually do not recall if it was or not.

Unless you actually own copies of the zine Girl Germs you've probably never seen the actual movement.

So, yeah. I'm back to the part where, how can something be of the zeitgeist if it's not available widely? Or do you mean zeitgeist only for particular cities, or regions? (This works a lot better in France, where everyone looks to Paris as their cultural cluster.)

My general thinking is that an item cannot practically qualify for "zeitgeist" unless it is already inextricably bound into the system of cultural production. Not that there is an inherent economic aspect of every item of the zeitgeist (although, god knows, a lot of it comes from advertising), but I don't see how it can be the "spirit of the times" until such time as a vast number of people, nationwide, are thinking about it. That involves production and distribution and marketing and sales, on the national level, of whatever medium is transmitting this new idea.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the Big Machines of culture being the conduit of ideas and attitudes and the cultural products where I make my psychological home. It sounds like these riot grrl people were politically opposed to major distribution of their stuff (for "stuff" see agenda, songs, style, whatever), so they disqualified themselves, consciously, from being what I would call zeitgeist.

I agree with Nutty -- it's hard to be general or pervasive if you don't have a good meme vector. I've heard of the Riot Grrls, and am pretty sure I couldn't define them without offending a bunch of people. It's not been a descriptor of anything I've been, or been near.

I'm back to the part where, how can something be of the zeitgeist if it's not available widely?

My general thinking is that an item cannot practically qualify for "zeitgeist" unless it is already inextricably bound into the system of cultural production. Not that there is an inherent economic aspect of every item of the zeitgeist (although, god knows, a lot of it comes from advertising), but I don't see how it can be the "spirit of the times" until such time as a vast number of people, nationwide, are thinking about it. That involves production and distribution and marketing and sales, on the national level, of whatever medium is transmitting this new idea.

Nutty and I (edit: and ita) have the same concept of "zeitgeist."

Sorry ita, Just fanwanking there. I had planned to put a smiley next to it.

Whoa, Daniel. You've been watching fandom shows too long, man. Good wanking there, and you were just kidding around? I think if I ran all of Smallville through that fanwank filter you got there, I might find the show watchable on more than a "Hey look, shiny" level.

The Kents might have also depended on Clark to do a lot of farmwork, and without him they'd have to hire help that they couldn't afford.

When my book group did Snow Crash there was a whole debate about whether Y.T. was raped, since she herself didn't refer to it as a rape, just as the sex part of a date, so while she didn't really seem to want it to happen, she didn't really not want it to either. So she left her special device in place.