I think there's definitely a class of guy who gets more attractive as he ages. It's like being refined. George Clooney, Timothy Hutton, Andrew McCarthy, RDA, Peter Wingfield, Dennis Quaid, Colin Firth.

Two words: Robert. Redford.

In fact, it's the move *away* from "pretty" to "older/attractive" (whatever word might define that) that trips my GUH-ometer.

Ha. This whole thing make me think there should be Venn diagrams and notations for probability logic in which A = pretty, and B = attractive, and A U B = general term like 'good-looking', and A ∩ ~B (or whatever is the negation sign) = Tom Welling. But I fear I'm not mathy enough.

Wronger than the LFN talent show with the woman who took the stage with her guitar and wouldn't give it back?

Well. You have a point. Of course, when this happened, I believe I had long since fled to the hotel bar for some emergency tequila.

I fear I'm not mathy enough.

Hey! Sounds like a job for natter!

Like Vonnie (go! Kill!) I don't think pretty has to mean attractive.

t sits with Vonnie and ita This despite my disagreement with ita about Shanks' attractiveness in recent years: I'm with Vonnie on wishing he'd pared down instead of beefing up, because it is reflected in his face, and not in a good character-revealing way, more in a I-wish-he'd-eat-more-salads way. He's not unattractive, but he could look better.

But there's pretty, which for me is a purely visual thing: good skin, regular well-proportioned features, maybe something special like Depp's lips. Young Johnny Depp, Orlando Bloom, Tom Welling, Shanks in the first few seasons, Browder on Party of Five and season 1 of FS. Can be bland, but isn't necessarily.

Then there's attractive, which may be a narrower category but covers, for me, a broader range of what is considered physically appealing. And yeah, Dennis Quaid (::fans self::), RDA now (but not as MacGuyver), Robert Redford, Shanks, Browder now. All of it has to do with character as shown by the changes in the face, and with how they move, speak, act. You put Redford in the same room as Welling, and I for one won't pay ANY attention to Welling.

Depp is an odd case, because he's kept the pretty but managed to move into the realm of blisteringly hot in terms of his personal presence.

I fear I'm not mathy enough.

Hey! Sounds like a job for natter!

Browder (base 10) = Welling (base 8).

I don't think I've shared this site here. The Save Farscape team has been doing interviews with the cast and crew for the last few years, and this site [link] has a bunch of downloads. New interviews were done this past weekend, with Claudia Black, Wayne Pygram, and Brian Henson, among others, and those files should be up shortly.

Which is why Rosenbaum tends to blow him off the screen. And not in the good way.

Wouldn't the good way involve the preposition "on" instead?

Johnny Depp may be pretty until the day he dies. So might Caviezel. Browder's less pretty with time, more goodlooking.

Having seen Johnny Depp when he was still a teenager, I can vouch he was girly beautiful then. I'd say he's more interesting looking now, except, he was such an extreme of prettiness then that it had its own interest.

Depp is an odd case, because he's kept the pretty but managed to move into the realm of blisteringly hot in terms of his personal presence.

Depp is an odd presence. I agree with the pretty, and the hot, but there is a weird disconnect when I try to consider Depp in the lusty wrong type way. He's like this exotic, wonderous fairy-person, mesmerizing to watch, but ephemeral in my mundane sphere. Not available for something as earthly and sweaty like regular shagging.

Browder (base 10) = Welling (base 8)

Take that back!