Yes, the good of his career.

eta. Nice x-post w/DX there.

I quite like it, but I suspect that's because I give no special authority to the voices talking to Sam.

I suppose that it should be read that way, rather than the way I read it, which was the writers telling the character to grow up already. Which they then promptly ignored in Lost City.

I didn't mind so much the conversation with Jacob: I've occasionally had that sort of horribly painful conversation with my father (although not that one, thank frell). He has the right to say those things, and Sam gives him the right to say those things.

But the Jack conversation? It feels patronizing. Oddly enough, it disrespects Jack (a safe bet? really?) at the same time it implies that she's been pining for seven years.

(slight tangent) There is one story out there that did a nice job handling the Pete issue in the aftermath of Lost City, and if I could find it again, I'd provide a link. Katie, you know the one I'm talking about?

I think at the time, 'Suela, that this was the word of the writers. So for me, Lost City was proof, and very satisfying, as opposed to blatantly ignoring what had just gone before.

My take is that she's pretty much always been in love with him, and while she's pretty much fine not doing anything about it, having internalised the applicable rules better than he has (I still feel he pines, not her), she still felt like going out on her own romantically (instead of being stalked by freaky aliens) would be a betrayal to what they don't actually have. She talks a BIG talk to herself in Grace, but doesn't talk herself out of love. She does talk herself into another relationship, which is probably fair until Pete wants to go to the next level and finds her mysteriously unavailable. That's when she's going to have to come to terms with what will never be.

I got lots of ammo to project onto her, I'll admit that up front.

I got lots of ammo to project onto her, I'll admit that up front.

So do I. t grin

I'm a control freak, I project that. One reason why I loved Scully so much.

I suppose that it should be read that way, rather than the way I read it, which was the writers telling the character to grow up already. Which they then promptly ignored in Lost City.

See, I always saw Grace as "hey, remember how we haven't talked about J/S for, like, two years, mind a head-leaning incident or two? Yeah, we kind of miss it. Heads up, here it comes!" It re-established that she desired Jack, and established that she wasn't over it.

There is one story out there that did a nice job handling the Pete issue in the aftermath of Lost City, and if I could find it again, I'd provide a link. Katie, you know the one I'm talking about?

This one, maybe?

Lost City was proof, and very satisfying, as opposed to blatantly ignoring what had just gone before.

Can you explicate this? And forgive me if I get the timeline wrong: it goes Grace - Chimera - Lost City (with lots of other stuff in there too, of course).

What is sounds like you're saying is: Sam hallucinates & talks herself out of hanging around and waiting for the Thing That Won't Happen with Jack. So she starts dating Pete, but doesn't fall in love. (Yay, cause he's a stalker!boy!) Then Jack pulls his damn-fool stunt in Lost City and she realizes she really can't bear to lose him, yada yada?

That makes some kind of sense. Except the writing in Grace still bothers me. ::shrugs::

Excellent, thanks Katie! I'll stick that one in my memories.

And now that I read it, I realize it's the one I ranted about Pete in the comments. Ooops. *grin*

That's pretty much it, 'Suela.

I'm all about the apparently platonic. Here's where I start projecting hard: a relationship between two people who are incredibly fond of each other, and in another situation that would quite probably spill over into naked sweaty humping. However, it doesn't, and they pretty much have made peace with that. Without quite moving on, have made other intimate attachments, and have certainly done nothing improper with each other. It's just that the fondness? Leaks out sometimes--especially in times of stress. They're human. There's also a bit of yearning, but that's moved past with varying amounts of success.

It's not like Sam was reacting to Jack being taken away from her romantically. She was (still projecting here) reacting to his impending death with the intensity of the (what's the word ...) unexplored feelings behind it. If she hadn't been in love with him, even muted, she'd still be upset. And it's not like she's freaking out about losing the chance to date him -- so it's all not quite improper, giving Pete nothing tangible to put his finger on and say "This! This is not how you should be acting!"

I have a similar half-baked thesis about CTHD, also rife with projection.

I'm working my way through the Sports Night dvds, although I'm about to be side tracked by Sherk and a few other movies I've bumped up on my Netflix queue.

At this point I'm really in love with Sports Night and plan to buy it although when I read the posts I start reading them in the Sports Night cadance.

I can't remember the name of the last episode I watched but it was the one where Casey goes on a blind double date with Dana and Gordon.

Sports Night will be one of my first DVD purchases when I get a player.