On my seventh birthday, I wanted a toy fire truck, and I didn't get it, and you were real nice about it, and then the house next door burnt down, and then real firetrucks came, and for years I thought you set the fire for me. And if you did, you can tell me!

Xander ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Boxed Set, Vol. 1: Smallville, Due South, Farscape  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much anything else that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.


DXMachina - May 30, 2004 7:15:41 am PDT #5952 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

How is Andromeda coming back for another season?

Sorbo commanded it. He is the Messiah, after all.


Cass - May 30, 2004 7:30:52 am PDT #5953 of 10000
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Wasn't he supposed to only use his powers for good?


DXMachina - May 30, 2004 7:32:06 am PDT #5954 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Well, it's good for him.


Thomash - May 30, 2004 7:32:19 am PDT #5955 of 10000
I have a plan.

Yes, the good of his career.

eta. Nice x-post w/DX there.


Consuela - May 30, 2004 10:09:33 am PDT #5956 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I quite like it, but I suspect that's because I give no special authority to the voices talking to Sam.

I suppose that it should be read that way, rather than the way I read it, which was the writers telling the character to grow up already. Which they then promptly ignored in Lost City.

I didn't mind so much the conversation with Jacob: I've occasionally had that sort of horribly painful conversation with my father (although not that one, thank frell). He has the right to say those things, and Sam gives him the right to say those things.

But the Jack conversation? It feels patronizing. Oddly enough, it disrespects Jack (a safe bet? really?) at the same time it implies that she's been pining for seven years.

(slight tangent) There is one story out there that did a nice job handling the Pete issue in the aftermath of Lost City, and if I could find it again, I'd provide a link. Katie, you know the one I'm talking about?


§ ita § - May 30, 2004 10:19:08 am PDT #5957 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think at the time, 'Suela, that this was the word of the writers. So for me, Lost City was proof, and very satisfying, as opposed to blatantly ignoring what had just gone before.

My take is that she's pretty much always been in love with him, and while she's pretty much fine not doing anything about it, having internalised the applicable rules better than he has (I still feel he pines, not her), she still felt like going out on her own romantically (instead of being stalked by freaky aliens) would be a betrayal to what they don't actually have. She talks a BIG talk to herself in Grace, but doesn't talk herself out of love. She does talk herself into another relationship, which is probably fair until Pete wants to go to the next level and finds her mysteriously unavailable. That's when she's going to have to come to terms with what will never be.

I got lots of ammo to project onto her, I'll admit that up front.


Consuela - May 30, 2004 10:22:42 am PDT #5958 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I got lots of ammo to project onto her, I'll admit that up front.

So do I. t grin

I'm a control freak, I project that. One reason why I loved Scully so much.


Katie M - May 30, 2004 10:23:14 am PDT #5959 of 10000
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

I suppose that it should be read that way, rather than the way I read it, which was the writers telling the character to grow up already. Which they then promptly ignored in Lost City.

See, I always saw Grace as "hey, remember how we haven't talked about J/S for, like, two years, mind a head-leaning incident or two? Yeah, we kind of miss it. Heads up, here it comes!" It re-established that she desired Jack, and established that she wasn't over it.

There is one story out there that did a nice job handling the Pete issue in the aftermath of Lost City, and if I could find it again, I'd provide a link. Katie, you know the one I'm talking about?

This one, maybe?


Consuela - May 30, 2004 10:26:42 am PDT #5960 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Lost City was proof, and very satisfying, as opposed to blatantly ignoring what had just gone before.

Can you explicate this? And forgive me if I get the timeline wrong: it goes Grace - Chimera - Lost City (with lots of other stuff in there too, of course).

What is sounds like you're saying is: Sam hallucinates & talks herself out of hanging around and waiting for the Thing That Won't Happen with Jack. So she starts dating Pete, but doesn't fall in love. (Yay, cause he's a stalker!boy!) Then Jack pulls his damn-fool stunt in Lost City and she realizes she really can't bear to lose him, yada yada?

That makes some kind of sense. Except the writing in Grace still bothers me. ::shrugs::


Consuela - May 30, 2004 10:35:21 am PDT #5961 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Excellent, thanks Katie! I'll stick that one in my memories.

And now that I read it, I realize it's the one I ranted about Pete in the comments. Ooops. *grin*