Joss specifically has cited Wiseguy for story arcs.
Yup. Wiseguy was the first show I remember watching that had discrete arcs. Hill Street and the like had great continuity from ep to ep, and character arcs, but no overall plot for the season.
Simon: Captain's a good fighter, he must know how to handle a sword. Zoe: I think he knows which end to hold.
'Shindig'
Boxed Set, Vol. 1: Smallville, Due South, Farscape
A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much anything else that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.
DXMachina - Sep 23, 2003 8:56:58 am PDT #577 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
Frankenbuddha - Sep 23, 2003 9:01:07 am PDT #578 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Yup. Wiseguy was the first show I remember watching that had discrete arcs. Hill Street and the like had great continuity from ep to ep, and character arcs, but no overall plot for the season.
Exactly how I remember it, and why I loved both so much. They were both also good at bringing the angsty goodness, and killed off major charcters in horrible ways.
Anne W. - Sep 23, 2003 9:20:59 am PDT #579 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
They were both also good at bringing the angsty goodness, and killed off major charcters in horrible ways.
Oh, yes. I remember when they killed off Joe Wossname (Coffee? but that seems odd) so unexpectedly.
DXMachina - Sep 23, 2003 9:27:04 am PDT #580 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
Joe Coffey.
The one that I remember most was when they killed off the small-timer that Belker was always busting, the one who would always give Belker a fake name ("Name?" "Curtis." "Last name?" "Interruptus"). Belker finds him shot in an alley, and as he's dying, he tells Belker his real name so Mick can tell his mother what happened.
Frankenbuddha - Sep 23, 2003 9:27:46 am PDT #581 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Joe Coffee - yes! I was trying to remember his name. Also, I remember a cop who was taking payoffs, and had been a regular for a season or two, got stabbed and graphically bled to death on screen. I think the character was played by Ken Olin, but I could be wrong.
Anne W. - Sep 23, 2003 9:32:22 am PDT #582 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
Joe Coffey.
Another thing I remember about that is that the actor had a twisted sense of humor, and invited his family and friends over to watch that particular episode.
He did not tell them or hint in any way that his character was being killed off.
DXMachina - Sep 23, 2003 9:43:08 am PDT #583 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
Heh. The one time my aunt got to see my cousin film a scene in a movie (Beverly Hills Cop 3), he was shot by Eddie Murphy, pushed out of the getaway vehicle, and then run over by Murphy's car. (Okay, the last part was a dummy, but still.)
§ ita § - Sep 23, 2003 9:47:22 am PDT #584 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I keep having this conversation with my mother:
"ita, I think I saw that friend of yours on TV."
"Was he having sex with another man?"
"Yes!"
"Yeah, that's Colin."
But, no longer!
Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 23, 2003 9:49:08 am PDT #585 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Does Jamaican TV not air More tales from the City, where he was one of the two men that weren't?
§ ita § - Sep 23, 2003 9:52:04 am PDT #586 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Does Jamaican TV not air More tales from the City
Heh. She hasn't gotten that far yet.
His other major streaks were "really bad pants" and "retro music management".
My mother? Always caught the boy on boy.
Bless him.