Zoe: Is there any way I'm gonna get out of this with honor and dignity? Wash: You're pretty much down to ritual suicide, lambie-toes.

'War Stories'


Boxed Set, Vol. 1: Smallville, Due South, Farscape  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much anything else that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.


§ ita § - May 04, 2004 7:46:32 am PDT #5587 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I wish someone would take the time to show me the writers recognize the problem.

They did mention the problem, but went back to ignoring it. Wormhole X-Treme must have been very cathartic.

That having been said, I differ from you there too. Unless the mention is a fix (which I can't see happening -- it would probably overcomplicate the structure). If it is very odd, then we (for all values of we that equal I) need to know why. Otherwise, I'll tuck it in the box of devices and move on. I can only handle the Lampshade Hanging in a comedic treatment.


Consuela - May 04, 2004 7:49:26 am PDT #5588 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

They did mention the problem, but went back to ignoring it.

The problem of the static societies? Ah. I haven't seen that episode, perhaps.

Wormhole X-Treme must have been very cathartic.

Indeed. I'm reminded by a recent post on LJ by tightropegirl, who's a staff writer for a genre show, that the writers really do make an effort to address a lot of the plot holes we notice. It's just that they can't include it all, and choices get made about what to lose along the way. ::shrugs::


§ ita § - May 04, 2004 7:51:36 am PDT #5589 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The problem of the static societies?

They did mention the "but everyone speaks English!" thing, sorry. Not the static society, as much as I can remember.

I can't remember what that was in response to -- someone had brought up another problem with show logic, and that's how they dismissed it.


Jars - May 04, 2004 8:47:23 am PDT #5590 of 10000

It does bother me a bit that they have Air Force technical advisors so they get all the technical military stuff right and then completely disregard any realism regarding the anthropology and archaeology. Would it kill them to look up carbon dating just once? It doesn't. work. for stone. They've done that so many times it hurts. I noticed the same mistake on Buffy once though.


Emily - May 04, 2004 8:54:40 am PDT #5591 of 10000
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

I can't remember what that was in response to -- someone had brought up another problem with show logic, and that's how they dismissed it.

I think it was a sarcastic props person, responding to Martin's demand that the apples be spray-painted a different color because "they're alien".

Consuela, I'm with you; it does bug me, and I do wish they'd take a pass at explaining it. I mean, if it were hunter-gatherer cultures, I wouldn't really have a problem, because they do tend to stay fairly static (I think). Mind you, "Ancient Egyptian" spans, what, several thousand years? Still, the idea that none of the transplanted groups changed at all is so incredible I just try to ignore it. For one thing, if there are as few people as we keep seeing, I'd expect them to be living at subsistence level!

But from now on I'm wanking the "frozen by the Goa'uld." Cause it makes a kind of show sense, and I like it. Even if it doesn't explain Cimmeria -- wait! Protected Planets Treaty!


Jars - May 04, 2004 9:04:06 am PDT #5592 of 10000

if it were hunter-gatherer cultures, I wouldn't really have a problem, because they do tend to stay fairly static (I think).

Here comes the archaeology geek bit. This is a simplification that grew out of the Colonial anthropology of the 19th and early 20th centuries. Hunter-gatherer societies can be extremely complex and dynamic, and show as much, if not more, variety and agency as agriculturalist peoples.

Sorry, I'll shut up now.


Emily - May 04, 2004 9:12:32 am PDT #5593 of 10000
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Hunter-gatherer societies can be extremely complex and dynamic, and show as much, if not more, variety and agency as agriculturalist peoples.

Aha! But if you majored in MovieAnthropology...

Good point. I just didn't think they showed as much rate of change. But my grounding, past Anthro 101 (and then Male/Female, and something else -- our Anthropology teacher was also co-director of the Women's Studies department), is terribly haphazard. I cede the point with style and grace.

So yeah! Not even hunter-gatherer societies! Which, now that I...

Do you think there are Jaffa farmers? Or are there human slaves on Chulak (and other Jaffa planets)? Or is their food imported?

Man, I'm short-attention-span woman today. Look, shiny!


Katie M - May 04, 2004 9:12:59 am PDT #5594 of 10000
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

Still, the idea that none of the transplanted groups changed at all is so incredible I just try to ignore it.

Well, it does happen occasionally. Kelowna, for instance, or the Tollans, or the Society Of Stupid People from "The Sentinel." (HEAD GUY: We've dedicated our lives to peaceful contemplation. ME, out loud: Well, it doesn't seem to have helped much!)


Jars - May 04, 2004 9:17:59 am PDT #5595 of 10000

Do you think there are Jaffa farmers? Or are there human slaves on Chulak (and other Jaffa planets)? Or is their food imported?

Maybe they have replicators? But wouldn't they get them confused with the Replicators? Now I'm confused.


Katie M - May 04, 2004 9:22:56 am PDT #5596 of 10000
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

Do you think there are Jaffa farmers? Or are there human slaves on Chulak (and other Jaffa planets)? Or is their food imported?

I've always assumed that farming is a lot of what humans are doing on goa'uld-dominated worlds, since there's absolutely no evidence of Jaffa doing so. Canonically human slaves either traipse around with goa'uld in skimpy outfits or mine ("I dreamed about mining. Naked.") but that's clearly silly, and the goa'uld and Jaffa must get their food from somewhere.