Gunn: We open a can of Machiavelli on his ass. Harmony: It's Matchabelli, Einstein, and it doesn't come in a can.

'Soul Purpose'


Boxed Set, Vol. 1: Smallville, Due South, Farscape  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much anything else that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.


Dana - Mar 18, 2004 4:15:25 am PST #4514 of 10000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

up there with the one Jack gives Daniel in season 2 opener ("Space monkey!". Aw.)

Awww!

They are awfully cute together.


Vonnie K - Mar 18, 2004 5:16:08 am PST #4515 of 10000
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

Remember, Seth is also Daniel's father from Gamekeeper.

Aeeiii. I did not know this. That strikes me highly wrong somehow.

I had fun looking at the character tropes in Gus' wiki last night, and they actually have an entity for this phenomenon: YouLookFamiliar. I know TXF did this with Nick Lea, who was a guest star on the show before taking on the role of Krycek, but last night was the first time I spotted this in SG.

I see that there is also a new entry for TheWoobie in the wake of Daniel discussion yesterday. I dunno--I always think of woobiefication with a bit of negative connotation, e.g. the fans are blind to the flaws of their woobie and would overract to the slightest hints of criticism, no matter how valid, about the character. Also, the infantilization implicated in the term kind of ooks me out a bit, like the fan in question wants to breastfeed and have sex with the character at the same time. Eh, what can I say? I just dislike fannish lingos in general.


§ ita § - Mar 18, 2004 5:26:50 am PST #4516 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

As someone who has a couple woobies, I have no urge to breastfeed any of them, and I haven't yet met a character with no flaws. Okay, perhaps Zoe, but she's kinda the uber-anti-woobie.


Vonnie K - Mar 18, 2004 5:43:09 am PST #4517 of 10000
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

Well, it's not the character trope itself, but the term. I'm pretty sure Tom Quinn in MI-5 meets the definition for me, especially wrt the hurt/comfort urge the character inspires. But "woobie", well, it's a baby blanket. When I hear the term, I automatically think the fan wishes to regress a complex and otherwise interesting character into an infant to be coddled and protected from the big bad world. It's the baby-talkish-sounding name that causes the reflexive cringing, above anything else, really. If there was another, non-cringy word that describes the characteristics, I'd probably be OK with it. YWMV.


Dana - Mar 18, 2004 5:48:54 am PST #4518 of 10000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

There are plenty of people out there who agree with you, Vonnie, w/r/t the "infantilization" of fandom.

I just kind of like the way woobie sounds.


Emily - Mar 18, 2004 6:55:02 am PST #4519 of 10000
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

I have no idea how anyone can like Daniel better than Jack, so they're all smoking the long pipe.

More Jack for you, ita, more Daniel for me.

I agree with everybody, pretty much. Daniel's totally a whiny bitch, and a bit of a woobie. And probably I would not love Daniel half so much, loved I not The Jack-and-Daniel Show more. I also love the team, and think that's key. But I really adore the banter. "Did not." "Did too." Also, "Can I see your scar?" "No."


§ ita § - Mar 18, 2004 7:34:21 am PST #4520 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

"Can I see your scar?" "No."

ADORABLE.

I didn't know woobie was a kid's blanket until I read the wiki. "Inspires intense feelings of protectiveness, an urge to clutch to one's bosom, and oodles of comfort sex." That's what woobie's meant to me.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 18, 2004 8:47:37 am PST #4521 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

"Woobie" was popularized by the movie Mr. Mom, I believe.


Vonnie K - Mar 18, 2004 10:22:59 am PST #4522 of 10000
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

"Mr. Mom"? Was the term used simply to refer to a baby blanket or in any way similiar to how it is used in fannish context?

I'm Miss Cranky McCrankypants in a totally unreasonable way when it comes to fannish lingoes (I've been known snarl at something as mild as "OTP"), so don't mind me. I have weird fandom issues.

"Lost City Part 2" tomorrow! Finally, I'll be able to uncoil myself from the year-long spoilerphobic defensive posture. Ehh. Maybe I should just give in to temptation and start spoiling myself rotten with SG: Atlantis come next season.


Steph L. - Mar 18, 2004 11:00:24 am PST #4523 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

"Mr. Mom"? Was the term used simply to refer to a baby blanket

Just a baby blanket. But very funny.