But the plots all suck. Except the robot duplicates thing, that was cool. The point is the characters. It's just like Docter Who.

Most of the Star Trek plots suck nearly as badly but it matters more, cause you (or me, anyway) feel like you're supposed to take them seriously. Stargate's whole premise is that the pyramids are actually alien spacecraft.

the plots all suck

SG1? What's your frame of reference?

Okay, perhaps 'suck' is the wrong term. 'Tend to have very large plot holes I need to overlook'?

Most of them function technically but don't draw me in. I'm drawn in by either what the characters are dealing with or the cool premise. Wheras with Buffy, I could be drawn in by plot, character, and premise.

Hmm. I agree it's not as complex and tightly woven as Buffy at its top, but I don't think it has a preponderance of plot holes.

It's simple plots, mostly, with compelling characterisation, and insane continuity.

But I'd say it has its share of good plots. 2010/2001 drew me in, for instance.

I agree that the continuity's pretty darn good. I really like the show, I just don't think it's plots are it's strongest point. That's actually more or less what I was trying to say, that weak plots don't bother me very much on Stargate, compared to Star Trek where it's more of a crisis.

Have you seen Tin Man? It's pretty early in the series but it's fantastic. Just thinking about the concepts it touches on makes my brain go fizz.

I like 2010, but mainly for the 'all hope is nearly lost' thing, sort of wishverse. Something about that tag team getting the note through the gate, even though they're all dying. The Aschen just make me go 'eh'.

The aliens of the week are the most inconsequential parts for me. Enkarans, Aschen, whatevers. I'm more likely to remember "the one where they totally don't have a Prime Directive and tell the locals their benevolent god is a hoax"

But yeah, mostly characterisation. I don't care how many times I see them die, episodes all out of order and everything. 2010, Double Jeopardy, whatever. I get sniffly.

The main problem is, I watch them with my mum and she's a big action fan. It drives her nuts when the characters start getting sentimental and spoils my mooshy enjoyment. But yeah, they're just so well-characteristed. You can identify with all of them really easily, whether or not you have anything in common with them, which I think is a sign of excellant characterisation.

I really liked 2010, but I wanted some kind of tag where Janet came back and said that the blood on the note was from Jack and Daniel--did Sam bleed on the note?

Jack seemed rather nonchalant about getting a blood splattered note from the future telling them not to go to a certain planet. I kept thinking it might spark Sam's curiousity. Or Daniel's. Not that Gen Hammond would let them go through see what was on the planet.

Duchovny did adopt a puppy, though at the time he explained that since he was getting the dog first, it was getting his favorite name, Blue, which left something like Fido for the child. And that would explain why he named his son Kydd. (Unless Kydd's middle name is Rokke.)

Have you seen Tin Man? It's pretty early in the series but it's fantastic.

Plus? The Mayor. IJS

I dearly hope you're talking about the Star Trek TNG episode here, so I don't sound like an idiot