Hmm. I agree it's not as complex and tightly woven as Buffy at its top, but I don't think it has a preponderance of plot holes.

It's simple plots, mostly, with compelling characterisation, and insane continuity.

But I'd say it has its share of good plots. 2010/2001 drew me in, for instance.

I agree that the continuity's pretty darn good. I really like the show, I just don't think it's plots are it's strongest point. That's actually more or less what I was trying to say, that weak plots don't bother me very much on Stargate, compared to Star Trek where it's more of a crisis.

Have you seen Tin Man? It's pretty early in the series but it's fantastic. Just thinking about the concepts it touches on makes my brain go fizz.

I like 2010, but mainly for the 'all hope is nearly lost' thing, sort of wishverse. Something about that tag team getting the note through the gate, even though they're all dying. The Aschen just make me go 'eh'.

The aliens of the week are the most inconsequential parts for me. Enkarans, Aschen, whatevers. I'm more likely to remember "the one where they totally don't have a Prime Directive and tell the locals their benevolent god is a hoax"

But yeah, mostly characterisation. I don't care how many times I see them die, episodes all out of order and everything. 2010, Double Jeopardy, whatever. I get sniffly.

The main problem is, I watch them with my mum and she's a big action fan. It drives her nuts when the characters start getting sentimental and spoils my mooshy enjoyment. But yeah, they're just so well-characteristed. You can identify with all of them really easily, whether or not you have anything in common with them, which I think is a sign of excellant characterisation.

I really liked 2010, but I wanted some kind of tag where Janet came back and said that the blood on the note was from Jack and Daniel--did Sam bleed on the note?

Jack seemed rather nonchalant about getting a blood splattered note from the future telling them not to go to a certain planet. I kept thinking it might spark Sam's curiousity. Or Daniel's. Not that Gen Hammond would let them go through see what was on the planet.

Duchovny did adopt a puppy, though at the time he explained that since he was getting the dog first, it was getting his favorite name, Blue, which left something like Fido for the child. And that would explain why he named his son Kydd. (Unless Kydd's middle name is Rokke.)

Have you seen Tin Man? It's pretty early in the series but it's fantastic.

Plus? The Mayor. IJS

I dearly hope you're talking about the Star Trek TNG episode here, so I don't sound like an idiot

Well, wait, now... I mean, it was a real moral crisis, but it wasn't actually "the super-evolved but technically dead alien things or the friendly earth-type people we're responsible for DIE!" The people could have gone back through the Stargate and relocated... again. Perhaps all going blind in the process. Which sucks, yes, but there was an alternative. As usual, it was an extremely difficult situation which SG handled... by having people take extremely simplistic sides. Argh. And the ending... yeah. Ass pull... to the X-TREME! But, eh.

They said there wasn't time to get everyone back through the Stargate, though presumably they could've moved the ones they saw. So if the ship didn't stop, a bunch of the to-be-blind folks were going to die, and the to-be-blind folks who were savable were being morons and refusing to leave.

I can't believe I'm trying to defend the logic behind Scorched Earth.

Unless Kydd's middle name is Rokke.

Gah! That's not even funny.

I dearly hope you're talking about the Star Trek TNG episode here, so I don't sound like an idiot

Stargate SG-1. Sorry.

Stargate SG-1. Sorry.

Rats. I was thinking ST-TNG, too.

Stargate seems to like using other people's titles. When ita mentioned she was watching 2010, I thought she meant the movie.