I know, world in peril and we have to work together. This is my last office romance, I'll tell you that.

Buffy ,'End of Days'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Topic!Cindy - Oct 06, 2004 6:59:49 am PDT #9116 of 10001
What is even happening?

tricksey "F" named Buffistae


victor infante - Oct 06, 2004 7:02:21 am PDT #9117 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Victor, I am so sorry about your ferret. Spleen? A friend of mine in Oregon rescues ferrets. She has a fluctuating number of them. She is always looking for -good- homes for her babies. She knows people all over the USA.

Thanks. I'm not sure you're if you're asking if I want to take in another here, but the answer is, "not right away." We're a little tuckered out, nd just want to spend time seeing to Ludo (the youngest).

  • ******

Watched a good chunk of Season 4 last night. Pretty much everything from Something Blue" to "Who Are You?" I'd completely forgotten how good the Faith story was.


Polter-Cow - Oct 06, 2004 7:03:35 am PDT #9118 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I'd completely forgotten how good the Faith story was.

Doesn't "This Year's Girl" kick ass? GLASS DOOR.


Frankenbuddha - Oct 06, 2004 7:03:43 am PDT #9119 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Suppressed due to the serum, according to this framing.

That, or the chip that comes out in Primeval (in some ways, that's better - since it's a "control" chip with demonic origins), or as a result of whatever the remnants of the Initiative had to do to Riley in season 5 (Out of My Mind, wasn't it?).

I like it being the chip, because then Glory can first emerge when Riley's gone off to D.C. at the beginning of Restless. Then whatever the soldiers do to permanently fix Riley allows Glory to unleash herself even more often.


Frankenbuddha - Oct 06, 2004 7:07:11 am PDT #9120 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Okay, who is opening up their PayPal account for our collection to fund Frank to completely re-do season 5? Most of the cast must be available.

For my next trick, I will reduce the amount of Buffy/Angel schmoop-angst in season 3 by turning THE WISH into a four episode mini-arc that you're not sure the show is ever going to come back from...


JohnSweden - Oct 06, 2004 8:42:11 am PDT #9121 of 10001
I can't even.

For my next trick, I will reduce the amount of Buffy/Angel schmoop-angst in season 3 by turning THE WISH into a four episode mini-arc that you're not sure the show is ever going to come back from...

Hmm, could be cool. I think your Riley is Ben plot switch is excellent, and I love The Wish with a deep and abiding passion, so you may be on to something. However, I'm not sure Season 3 needs much tinkering. It is about as good as it gets, in my view. S 5/6, way way not so much.


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 06, 2004 9:15:18 am PDT #9122 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

In agreement here. The melodramatic schmoop was the one thing I didn't like about Season 3, but I'm not confident in anyone's ability to remove it and come up with something better than what Joss aired.

All Nonian is saying is that Buffy's one true love is Buffy.

Or that Buffy's going to live forever. Which, with two returns from being Mostly Dead and one from being REALLY, REALLY Dead, is perhaps not that ridiculous an idea.


Frankenbuddha - Oct 06, 2004 9:18:26 am PDT #9123 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

However, I'm not sure Season 3 needs much tinkering.

No, that's probably true - even stand-alone/MOTW episodes beat season 2, which had close to as good an arc (IMO). But I thought it would be cool if they did enough in the WISH-verse to think that the show might be doing a complete reset.

The general pacing outline for the arc would be:

1st episode ends with Cordelia finding out that Xander and Willow are vamps

2nd episode ends with Cordelia getting killed by Xander and Willow

3rd episode ends with Buffy arriving in Sunnydale

4th episode ends the arc as in THE WISH.

The big questions are (a) could it have sustained a four episode expansion, (b) would people have been pissed about a de-reset at the end of the 4th episode the way they wouldn't at the end of a single episode, and (c) which three episodes would get yanked to make it all fit.

I think they could have pulled off (a) by bringing back a few more characters, like Darla and Jesse who go unmentioned but could easily still be around. Maybe even Spike but they'd need to figure out why Dru isn't with him (maybe Angel took her out before he got all puppy-fied).

(b) is a toughie because there's no way to please everyone. Maybe making it a two-episode arc (reset my above eps with 1st & 3rd coming at the half-hour marks), which would also take care of (c) as I think we could easily lose one episode from the season. However, I don't think two episodes would be enough to convince people that we might never be going back.


Gris - Oct 06, 2004 11:19:10 am PDT #9124 of 10001
Hey. New board.

Idle thought: I wonder if somebody related to Evanescence is a Buffy fan. I just watched the "Going Under" video for the first time and lots of the visuals are very Buffy-like: people in the audience that basically look vamp-faced, for example, and the lead singer is dressed up so that she looks an incredibly large amount like Drusilla in a couple of shots. It was interesting.


Topic!Cindy - Oct 06, 2004 11:27:56 am PDT #9125 of 10001
What is even happening?

The melodramatic schmoop served an important purpose (and I liked it--even the Christmas snow of Amends, yo!). It served to show (Angel, and the fans, if not Buffy) that their relationship, given their feels and desire for each other, was untenable, as long as Angel's soul hung in the ballast, and that to save himself, her life, and their love, he had to leave town.

I do not support any tinkering with season 3 (which I may like better than Sacred Season the Second).

Step off, Frank.