I look at it from the standpoint that the (good) women* go down fighting.

Define fighting, then. Because of the four listed (Tara, Anya, Cordelia, Fred), only Anya went down fighting as *I* define fighting. Tara was, as mentioned, collateral damage. Cordelia got her ghostly visit thanks to the PTB, to help out "her" guy (I don't remember the word-for-word of it, and am too lazy to look it up). We've gone into, at the time of airing, the complete lack of agency for Fred.

Contrast that to the main men we saw go down (both on AtS, mind): Doyle, going to his doom to save others; and Wesley, wounded in battle. Even Gunn, whom we do not see die on screen, but whom we are told is mortally wounded, holds up for one last step into battle.

Oh, what the hell, any excuse to make a spreadsheet...

There were 56 regular or recurring characters on Buffy. At least according to TV Tome's list, which seemed slightly arbitrary, but it's close enough for this. 21 are women, and 11 of them died on the show. I'm counting Buffy (but just once) and I've got no idea if Chao Ann died or not. Of the 35 men listed, at least 18 died; there were a couple minor characters I wasn't sure about. (Personally, I'd make it 19 and count Angel as dying, too, because that was certainly the emotional impact even if he wasn't killed.)

Angel obviously had fewer women in recurring roles, but of 14 women, 5 died. Of 22 men, 15 died. (Wowie.)

I don't think it's that more women die, it's that more of the women are important, and their deaths have more impact on the audience and the other characters. So we remember them. And I agree with NovaChild that there are fewer men whose deaths would have had that same impact. The men are often cannon fodder. Or get killed by Buffy.

Strega, I'm spacing on being able to do it in my head, but do those numbers change when you don't count villians?

Oooo...

As you're going on any excuse for a spreadsheet tonight (and I'm lazy as hell tonight--witness my acute failure to go looking up specific lines), could we get a breakdown into white hats/black hats?

Strega, any chance I could see the raw table on that? Profile address is OK, if you wouldn't mind emailing it to me.

Ms.Esse, you managed to say in seconds what it took me three minutes (okay, some of which were spent trying to find the tab after tabbing away for a moment) to attempt to ask.

Well, and you were direct, where I wanted to look at the data without having to grab it myself.

do those numbers change when you don't count villians?

How do you count that, tho? How about Jonathon? Or Ben?

Ms.Esse, you managed to say in seconds what it took me three minutes (okay, some of which were spent trying to find the tab after tabbing away for a moment) to attempt to ask.

ita "Spike's Bitches 17: Hostile?" Aug 31, 2004 10:15:22 am PDT

Who do we have for regular (main credits) cast?

BtVS, top of my head, we've got Buffy, Willow, Xander, Giles, Angel, Riley (MB was in the credits, right?), Dawn, Tara, Oz, Anya. Who is missing?

Angel, we've got Angel, Cordelia, Doyle, Wesley, Gunn, Fred, Connor, Lorne, Harmony (IIRC, MM was added to the credits, but again, too lazy to look it up.)

t curstey

I would count it by last known activity. Ben=bad guy. Jonathan=not bad guy. I figure it would vary, but, on the whole, with additions and subtractions based on personal preference, probably balance out. More or less.

Or, have a grey-hat category.