Hmm. It's sounds like the finest party I can imagine getting paid to go to.

Mal ,'Shindig'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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-t - Aug 03, 2004 9:44:48 am PDT #8695 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I think of the people who would ban pornography or whatever it is they think cause the ills of society rather than confront the actual ills. They're Oz, trying to lock themselves up instead of going to Istanbul.

This is terribly interesting, and something that hadn't occurred to me.

It seems to me that Oz (and Nina) had no memory of what they were up to while in wolf form, rather waking up with "what have I done" their first thought. Veruca, on the other hand, implies that she enjoys being a wolf. I wonder if embracing one's wolf-nature allows the werewolf greater conciousness, and perhaps greater control, while in wolf form.

It fits the idea that in order to cease doing evil, you first have to own your evilness.


Daisy Jane - Aug 03, 2004 9:54:48 am PDT #8696 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Maybe. Certainly he'd have been okay for longer without Veruca. But I saw her more as a trigger than a cause. The fact is, he wasn't as in control as he thought he was.

This, yes. He had the illusion of controlling the wolf because of being in physical custody, which really wasn't controlling it at all.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 03, 2004 10:07:17 am PDT #8697 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I wonder if embracing one's wolf-nature allows the werewolf greater conciousness, and perhaps greater control, while in wolf form.

I've seen other treatments similar to this (most notably the TV series Werewolf), in which the lycanthropic curse is presented as progresive, with the human and wolfen consciousness either merging or growing more alike as time goes by.


sumi - Aug 03, 2004 10:09:00 am PDT #8698 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

When Oz comes back -- he can will himself not to change to the wolf, but he doesn't have complete control of it.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 03, 2004 10:32:24 am PDT #8699 of 10001
What is even happening?

When Oz comes back -- he can will himself not to change to the wolf, but he doesn't have complete control of it.

And for that matter, the wolf is then triggerable, even during the day (when he goes after Tara), which gives even deeper support to this idea.


sumi - Aug 03, 2004 11:03:57 am PDT #8700 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Right -- whenever he loses control -- or has it taken from him (by the Initiative) he becomes the wolf.


Vortex - Aug 03, 2004 11:41:49 am PDT #8701 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I wonder if embracing one's wolf-nature allows the werewolf greater conciousness, and perhaps greater control, while in wolf form.

I wonder if the longer that one is a werewolf, the more control/consciousness manifests.


Fred Pete - Aug 04, 2004 3:44:10 am PDT #8702 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

Apropos of nothing, really -- Anya's given name (as just showed up in the Random Quote Generator at the top of the page) was

Anya Christina Emmanuella Jenkins

Yet nobody ever picked up on the obvious nickname "Ace."


Gandalfe - Aug 04, 2004 8:35:06 am PDT #8703 of 10001
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

Yet nobody ever picked up on the obvious nickname "Ace."

Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast!


§ ita § - Aug 04, 2004 11:03:30 am PDT #8704 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

How cute!

Though the NB one is too different for me to process.