Lindsey: Why--why did you... Lorne: One last job. You're not part of the solution, Lindsey. You never will be. Lindsey: You kill me? A flunky?! I'm not just...Angel...kills me. You...Angel... Lorne: Good night, folks.

'Not Fade Away'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Lyra Jane - Jul 05, 2004 9:42:29 am PDT #8617 of 10001
Up with the sun

I just got my S6 DVDs, and watched "Bargaining I &II" last night.

The first half is good, but the second half really drags. The whole probably would have been better as one 42-minute episode. (I especially thought the scene with Buffy and Dawn on the tower dragged, as did much of the biker demon stuff.)

Anyone disagree? Why?


helentm - Jul 05, 2004 11:26:43 pm PDT #8618 of 10001
Religion isn't the cause of wars. It's the excuse. - Christopher Brookmyre

I enjoyed it, but yeah, especially the first half. I actually think it's about 1/1/2 episodes long though, cause I wouldn't really want to cut any of the first half. I also thought the Biker demons were weird and gross. They just gave off this 'we're not on the right show' vibe.


Lyra Jane - Jul 06, 2004 3:01:26 am PDT #8619 of 10001
Up with the sun

I actually think it's about 1/1/2 episodes long though, cause I wouldn't really want to cut any of the first half.

True. I could cut a few things, like the BuffyBot at school sequence (mostly because it makes me cringe for Dawn) and a bit from the long Slaying sequence at the beginning, but for the most part the first half is pretty solid.

They also could have ended a one-episode "Bargaining" with Buffy killing the biker Demons *before* her friends found her, than incorporated the "welcome back, Buffy" stuff into "After Life."


Jeff Mejia - Jul 10, 2004 5:58:50 am PDT #8620 of 10001
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

They also could have ended a one-episode "Bargaining" with Buffy killing the biker Demons *before* her friends found her, than incorporated the "welcome back, Buffy" stuff into "After Life."

Fury says on the commentary that they were only planning a one hour show to kick off the season, then UPN wanted a 2-hour kick off special, so there were some changes made in the pacing and elements in the story.

Of course, the commentary by Fury and Noxon itself is pretty bad (although I agree the commentary on "Hell's Bells" is the worst.commentary.ever), with having long stretches of silence and low volume when they talked. I often screamed at the television "Say something!" while I was watching with the commentary.


Polter-Cow - Jul 10, 2004 6:10:43 am PDT #8621 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

(although I agree the commentary on "Hell's Bells" is the worst.commentary.ever

Good concept, poor execution. It's like they were trying to MST3K it, but they had no charisma.


Stephanie - Jul 10, 2004 9:13:54 am PDT #8622 of 10001
Trust my rage

although I agree the commentary on "Hell's Bells" is the worst.commentary.ever

I just saw this yesterday and IT WAS SO BAD. They should have taken lessons from Tim - commentary for the blind is better than nothing. I was disappointed because normally I love writer's commentary - they almost always provide great insights.

The only thing I got out of the Hell's Bells commentary was that 1) Joss, as usual, wrote my favorite scene and 2) I like the idea of mirrors, which I hadn't picked up on before. That's not much for 40+ minutes.


Polter-Cow - Jul 10, 2004 9:46:28 am PDT #8623 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

1) Joss, as usual, wrote my favorite scene

Which was that? I must not have been paying a lot of attention. I was tired.


Stephanie - Jul 10, 2004 10:19:04 am PDT #8624 of 10001
Trust my rage

The scene between Buffy and Spike about her pain at seeing him with skank-girl. It just seems so real to me and I love how well both of the actors deliver the lines.


Lyra Jane - Jul 10, 2004 10:21:04 am PDT #8625 of 10001
Up with the sun

It turns out disc 2 of my S6 set is defective, and since I got it from Amazon I have to send the WHOLE THING back :-(.

I wouldn't bother except that's the disc with OMWF and "Tabula Rasa" on it.

So, I won;t be watching the commentaries for a while...


-t - Jul 10, 2004 2:39:57 pm PDT #8626 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Can't you get a replacement and send the defective one back when the good one comes? That's what I did with a similar problem with a SImpsons set. I think I just e-mailed Amazon and they suggested it.