Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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Thanks for the welcome! I'm like a pathological lurker, or something. Not really shy in real life; just always feel like I'm breaking up the conversation online without much of real interest to say. :)
Thank you Cindy (back a few posts) and Allyson for the info on J.D. Peralta; I remember wondering when the episode aired who that was. How sad. I'm glad Marti and the rest of ME were able to dedicate an episode to her, and I'm sure Wrecked was an episode Marti was proud of and thus wanted to dedicate to her. (Our opinions of the episode itself notwithstanding!)
Coincidentally, I was just discussing with a friend how the break between Wrecked and Gone was possibly the
worst
hiatus ever - six weeks left hanging on that scene of Buffy sitting in her bedroom with all that garlic. It was an agonizing wait to find out what happened!
Hush is on right now! (Stupid me -- I meant Restless.)
Too bad I have to miss most of it. (Stupid work.)
Watched the one before Restless this morning (and of course, had to see the end, so was late for work). Even season 4 had some good stuff. I still remember Jack Esteve (someof you may remember him from days of yore) calling me and screeching "That kicked fucking ASS!!"
Primeval.
Even though the Initiative storyline only half-assed worked for me, I adore this episode. I adore it, because of the Enjoining spell. I so hoped some sort of resolution to the S7 problems would have a tie-in to that spell. After all, that's what woke the First Slayer for
Restless.
I have many favorite episodes, and in most ways,
Primeval
isn't any of them. But that spell, for me, is emblematic of the series as a whole.
Yes, I remember waxing very poetically about it the next day.
Yes, Primeval is nowhere near being on my list of favorites, but I love the spell. The spell at the end of Chosen didn't get me nearly as much. Although, much love to the baseball girl.
Somewhere I think someone was addressing the annoyance of Buffy's "epiphany" at the end of S6. I just never thought it was a real epiphany. First of all, it was incredibly cheesy. Secondly, it was based entirely around wanting something for Dawn rather than Buffy wanting to live for herself. It seemed like she was projecting, to me. Finding something to latch onto that had nothing to do with her own wants or needs. I actually thought it was one of those moments where you think you see the light at the end of the tunnel, but you don't actually find your way out. Honestly, I think Buffy was depressed all the way until Chosen when she ran for her life across those buildings. That was the moment when I finally saw a woman who wanted to live.
Honestly, I think Buffy was depressed all the way until Chosen when she ran for her life across those buildings. That was the moment when I finally saw a woman who wanted to live.
I'd go further. It's the final shot, where she smiles because Sunnydale is gone, she doesn't have a destiny and she's not the one girl in all the world who alone will stand against the blah blah blah. that's why, even though GD2 was a better end to the show, I love Chosen - the show ends with the weight of the world being lifted from Buffy's shoulders. I never thought Joss could give her a convincingly happy ending.
annoyance of Buffy's "epiphany" at the end of S6
Me! (/mememe)
I just never thought it was a real epiphany. [...] incredibly cheesy. [...] wanting something for Dawn rather than Buffy wanting to live for herself.
Yes! Exactly how I felt, except worded far more eloquently. It just didn't seem likely that
this
was her recovery from depression - thus my grousing.
I actually thought it was one of those moments where you think you see the light at the end of the tunnel, but you don't actually find your way out. Honestly, I think Buffy was depressed all the way until Chosen when she ran for her life across those buildings. That was the moment when I finally saw a woman who wanted to live.
I'd go further. It's the final shot, where she smiles because Sunnydale is gone, she doesn't have a destiny and she's not the one girl in all the world who alone will stand against the blah blah blah.
Thank you.
This makes so much more sense to me than anything I've been thinking since "Grave" aired. And frankly, I wanted to love "Chosen" but was kind of disappointed in the last scene - I wanted Buffy to have one last line, one perfect quip to end the series on (although I can only imagine how impossible that would be to write). But it did feel like the ending of "Chosen" was Buffy finally realizing she wanted to live, and could finally do so. That run across the buildings had a great rush to it. Thank you for un-breaking my brain! :)
Oh, that reminds me of one of my Buffy pet peeves.
You people seem smart and hip and cool: PLEASE tell me that you like Restless.
I've read exactly one issue of the Buffy magazine, where they rated the Buffy finales, and it very very much annoys me that Restless had by far the worst rating. I think Restless is easily my favorite of the season enders, even it isn't the arc-completion ep.
In fact, Restless is my fourth favorite episode, sometimes fighting with hush for third, depending on the day.
We LOVE Restless.
Not that I can speak for all of us, but we do. Damn it.