Mal: He calls back, you keep them occupied. Wash: What do I do, shadow puppets?

'The Message'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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DavidS - Jan 06, 2004 2:48:47 pm PST #7160 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I find it weak though that he didn't think there would be any, considering the life he's led since the 10th grade.

It's especially weak after Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered, how he talks about magic to Wil in Lover's Walk and speaking latin in front of the books. He damn well knows better.


Elena - Jan 06, 2004 3:02:47 pm PST #7161 of 10001
Thanks for all the fish.

And in BBB he goes to Giles as soon as he twigs that something odd is happening.


SailAweigh - Jan 06, 2004 3:05:02 pm PST #7162 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

He damn well knows better.

Sure, but it played into that "magic has consequences" comment of Spike's. Which came back and pretty much bit everyone in the ass one way or another.


Frankenbuddha - Jan 06, 2004 5:19:58 pm PST #7163 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

And in BBB he goes to Giles as soon as he twigs that something odd is happening.

And got his head taken off. Not that I like it any better than y'all. But he wasn't so much bugging Giles about stopping it as finding out if the incidents were connected. It is Sunnydale, after all - sometimes a neck erruption is just a neck erruption, sometimes its PCP.


Lee - Jan 06, 2004 7:11:33 pm PST #7164 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

What's always bothered me about it was that during the spell, people were being extra honest, and singing things they wouldn't normally say, and Xander said nothing. Then the spell is over, and poof, he suddenly tells the truth?


victor infante - Jan 06, 2004 7:17:08 pm PST #7165 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

What's always bothered me about it was that during the spell, people were being extra honest, and singing things they wouldn't normally say, and Xander said nothing. Then the spell is over, and poof, he suddenly tells the truth?

I've got a theory...

Seriously. I do.

It's occurred to me that not everyone sang everything that was on their mind. If anything, they sang the things they wanted to tell people, but for some reason couldn't. For example, Buffy having been in Heaven, or Spike confessing his feelings for Buffy. But when it comes to Giles, Buffy--mercifully--is oblivious to it, and Dawn sings alone, her cleptomania unrevealed. And then there's the case of Xander and Anya, and--for all the reasons they exclaim in "I'll Never Tell,"--they really don't tell the ones that ultimately end their impending marriage: Xander's fear of becoming his father, and Anya's fear that she doesn't have an identity of her own.

So, no, it doesn't make them spill everything.


Holli - Jan 06, 2004 10:18:10 pm PST #7166 of 10001
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore

Victor is me; or, at any rate, his OMWF theory is my OMWF theory. It also nicely explains why Willow doesn't sing-- yes, AH asked Joss not to give her a song, but also, Willow has nothing she particularly wants to tell anyone. She has no reason to spill the beans about the mindwipe, which was the only big secret I can recall her having at the time, because as far as she's concerned all she did was fix a problem-- nothing she needs or wants to tell Tara about.

And that ties in with the traditional musical practice of putting the big emotional moments in song-- they're used when the characters feel something they want to express but don't have adequate words for.


WildDemon Cornelius - Jan 06, 2004 10:49:30 pm PST #7167 of 10001
Take your fingers off it, don't you dare touch it, you know it don't belong to you, to you...

I'm with Victor and Holli.


Gandalfe - Jan 07, 2004 3:17:12 am PST #7168 of 10001
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

Interesting article on MSN about challenging TV shows. Buffy is mentions as a given, and Angel is #3 on their list.


Jessica - Jan 07, 2004 4:31:07 am PST #7169 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

What's always bothered me about it was that during the spell, people were being extra honest, and singing things they wouldn't normally say, and Xander said nothing. Then the spell is over, and poof, he suddenly tells the truth?

What Victor and Holli Said, and also, I'm now wishing (or possibly fanwanking) that Xander was prevented from confessing by the spell itself.