Spike: We got a history, him and me. Fred: What? Spike: It was a long time ago. He was a young Watcher, fresh out of the academy when we crossed paths. It was a, what-you-call battle of wills and blood was spilled. Vendettas were sworn. It was a whole-- Fred: My God you're so full of crap. Spike: Yeah. Okay.

'Unleashed'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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victor infante - Aug 03, 2003 11:44:36 am PDT #4147 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

I got the impression she was committed before this, not after.

Hmmm. Buffy's not particularly forthcoming with the details. She just says, "When I first saw vampires..." or words to that effect. Basically, all I'm saying is that Buffy had an intense period of violence and (to her parents' mind) delusions. And she was only institutionalized for a couple weeks (according to Buffy.) Really, it can be read as "before I came to Sunnydale," and be quite reasonably meaning, "When I burned down the gym because it was full of vampires, but nobody believed me and now I just say it was because it was full of asbestos." (as per WttHM.)

As retcon's go, I completely buy it.


Gandalfe - Aug 03, 2003 12:02:10 pm PDT #4148 of 10001
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

Except that those of us who remember the movie know that she DIDN'T burn the building down by the end of it, so she must have done that later. There's no way she would consider anything that happened after the end of the movie to be when she first saw vampires, ergo, it must have been before the movie.

In other words, major asspull.


victor infante - Aug 03, 2003 12:07:47 pm PDT #4149 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Except that those of us who remember the movie know that she DIDN'T burn the building down by the end of it, so she must have done that later. There's no way she would consider anything that happened after the end of the movie to be when she first saw vampires, ergo, it must have been before the movie.

In other words, major asspull.

Not really. Joss has said repeatedly that Buffy the TV character DID burn down the gym--which was the ending that he WANTED to give the movie. He established it in the first episode.


WildDemon Cornelius - Aug 03, 2003 12:22:07 pm PDT #4150 of 10001
Take your fingers off it, don't you dare touch it, you know it don't belong to you, to you...

Yeah, the 1992 movie should not be considered canon when it comes to the TV show; the vampires can fly in the movie, they don't dust, and Buffy's watcher says that he is a reincarnation of many past watchers. Also, the stakes are a lot bigger (I mean the actual wooden stakes, not that the situation's more important, hehe)...maybe they're like cell phones, by 1997 they were a lot smaller and more compact the same way cell phones are.


sj - Aug 03, 2003 12:23:16 pm PDT #4151 of 10001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Also, Buffy is a senior in the movie.


Connie Neil - Aug 03, 2003 3:37:56 pm PDT #4152 of 10001
brillig

And vampires don't have the entertaining death scenes in the series as they do in the movie. Sigh.


JohnSweden - Aug 03, 2003 3:41:02 pm PDT #4153 of 10001
I can't even.

Toronto Trek links

My pal Rhys took a bunch of pics at TT17 in July. ASH was a guest of honour.


HoyaSaxa - Aug 03, 2003 4:18:10 pm PDT #4154 of 10001
Diablo Robotico Up.

"Yeah, the 1992 movie should not be considered canon when it comes to the TV show; the vampires can fly in the movie, they don't dust, and Buffy's watcher says that he is a reincarnation of many past watchers. Also, the stakes are a lot bigger (I mean the actual wooden stakes, not that the situation's more important, hehe)...maybe they're like cell phones, by 1997 they were a lot smaller and more compact the same way cell phones are."

Kill Him A Lot!

Also, in the '92 cinematic interpretation, isn't Buffy's menstrual cycle or something like a radar to approaching bad guys?

Merrick in the series would have made an interesting Watcher, I think. I've always seen the Watchers Council as a mixed bag of the righteous, the control-freaks, and quasi-authoritarians. Merrick was a sympathetic character.


DCJensen - Aug 03, 2003 4:39:01 pm PDT #4155 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

In the movie, she got cramps "like" menstrual cramps.

In an early Jossian writer's draft of the movie, possibly pre-sales, Buffy takes out the main vamp with a pencil that was handy.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 03, 2003 5:30:18 pm PDT #4156 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Thus leading us to a vamp dusting because a levitating #2 poked him in the shoulderblade in "Choices."

Don't they usually expect crazy folk to be stronger than normal?

There's tear your restraints stronger than normal, and then there's deform rifle barrels like bendy straws stronger than normal.

Interesting story, a friend's father once worked in a psychiatric institution. He lost his nerve for it and quit when a genial trustee was mopping up one night and said "I like you. And it's a good thing, because if I didn't like you I'd do this to you." And then snapped the handle of the mop he was holding.