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Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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sj - Aug 02, 2003 6:57:55 pm PDT #4129 of 10001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

She wasn't a slayer in the alternate reality, so she couldn't actually bend bars and such.

Not in the alternate reality, but in Buffyverse reality, when she really was committed for telling her parents she saw vampires.

ETA: WILLOW: You are not in an institution. You have never been in an institution.

BUFFY: (whispers) Yes, I have.

WILLOW: What?

BUFFY: (sighs) Back when I saw my first vampires... (shot of the photo) I got so scared. I told my parents ... and they completely freaked out. They thought there was something seriously wrong with me. So they sent me to a clinic.

WILLOW: (shocked) You never said anything.

BUFFY: (tearful) I was only there a couple of weeks. I stopped talking about it, and they let me go. Eventually ... my parents just ... forgot.

WILLOW: God. That's horrible.

BUFFY: (crying) What if I'm still there? What if I never left that clinic?


DCJensen - Aug 02, 2003 8:27:23 pm PDT #4130 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

BUFFY: (sighs) Back when I saw my first vampires... (shot of the photo) I got so scared. I told my parents ... and they completely freaked out. They thought there was something seriously wrong with me. So they sent me to a clinic.

I still disagree with the majority on that scene.

I think it was a false memory induced by the drug as well. To make Buffy unsure of herself, unsure what is real.


§ ita § - Aug 02, 2003 8:33:13 pm PDT #4131 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think it was a false memory induced by the drug as well. To make Buffy unsure of herself, unsure what is real.

Because the line doesn't fit in with canon, or because there was other evidence of false memory implanted by the drug?


sj - Aug 02, 2003 8:33:41 pm PDT #4132 of 10001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I think it was a false memory induced by the drug as well. To make Buffy unsure of herself, unsure what is real.

That is entirely possible. I thought that the drug latched on to bits of reality and turned them around on Buffy so she couldn't figure out what was real anymore.


HoyaSaxa - Aug 02, 2003 8:46:21 pm PDT #4133 of 10001
Diablo Robotico Up.

"BUFFY: (tearful) I was only there a couple of weeks. I stopped talking about it, and they let me go. Eventually ... my parents just ... forgot."

There are some earlier posts here about continuity and how Buffy gets sent to an institution. Here's HoyaSaxa's Currently Official Stand on this issue --

1. When Buffy "saw" vampires, she may not have been under the guidance of a Watcher and probably wasn't slaying yet. Remember, in the S1 opener Buffy is having dreams of vamps walking in the night. Perhaps she told her parents about a dream instead of an actual live-fire environment setting.

2. Theroetically, Joyce/Hank's divorce could have been the result of said psychological conditions. Think about it, in one S1 ep. one of Buffy's biggest fears is that her dad won't come get her.

3. Why would the parents "forget" something so disturbing? As I thought about it, I'm going to take a stab and say that continuity -- at least in the view of the principal characters -- has already been altered when the monks created Dawn and uploaded her vitals into the memories of the Scoobies. Maybe on the "bandwidth" of recollection, the monks who formatted the Dawn program had to "overwrite" other segments of people's lives to make Dawn fit in the stream of consciousness.

So there could be a time frame plausible enough to fit Buffy's time in the clinic, and later on there might be an explanation as to why her parents "forgot."

All that said, Joyce's ignorance of Buffy's calling as a Slayer sounds to me a nice writer's trick of conveying a parent's denial of a potentially unflattering truth about a child. Remember in Becoming II, when Buffy comments about the blood having to be washed out of her clothes? I always felt Joyce knew Buffy was the Slayer, but would never bring it up directly. Buffy's admission to Joyce in S2 was like saying "Yes, and the sky is blue!"


sj - Aug 02, 2003 8:50:10 pm PDT #4134 of 10001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I have been watching the early seasons lately wondering what Dawn would have known in the changed history. I would like to think that she was more aware than Joyce about what was really happening.


HoyaSaxa - Aug 02, 2003 8:51:36 pm PDT #4135 of 10001
Diablo Robotico Up.

sj -- see my little theory on Dawn.


sj - Aug 02, 2003 8:56:28 pm PDT #4136 of 10001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Interesting theory. I am not so sure how much we are supposed to think that history has changed, but it does seem that some stuff would have to. I think I am too tired to think my ideas through tonight.


tina f. - Aug 02, 2003 10:04:37 pm PDT #4137 of 10001

Just FYI: The current 4-shot of the Buffy comic series is about this very thing. It covers what happens when, pre-the Summers' divorce, Buffy gets sent to an institution and how Dawn figures into the whole thing . So far it has been one of the better of the multiple-issue story arcs I've read. But then again, this is a series that just gave us Buffy in Vegas.


WildDemon Cornelius - Aug 02, 2003 10:09:04 pm PDT #4138 of 10001
Take your fingers off it, don't you dare touch it, you know it don't belong to you, to you...

HoyaSaxa-

I think that the scenario you imagine under "3" is the ONLY way that Buffy's mental instituition memory makes much sense...aside from that, it seems to me that the writers simply stuck it in there to make it all seem more emotional...the trouble is that I just find it unbelievable that Buffy never told anyone about it. TV shows often invent experiences that their characters had in the past that makes something that they're going through now more emotional; the trouble is that it's usually never mentioned after that episode, and so instead of being emotional and touching it seems clunky and forced (one show that used to do it all the time is the sci-fi show Sliders, but Buffy rarely does it, which is one thing that makes-or made it-great TV.).

I have always been fascinated by the idea of what the first four seasons would have been like w/ Dawn in the picture. It seems like kind of a gip that no one actually remembers the first four seasons having happened exactly as they did in the actual show. Oh well...my theory is that one thing that Dawn's existence also changed is Hank Summers' relationship w/ his family: it seems like as soon as Dawn was introduced, Hank went from being a father who sometimes stayed in touch w/ his daughter to a jerk who ran off to Spain w/ his secretary. Could it be that Dawn actually influences her family's past? It seems plausible to me that Hank could have been overwhelmed by having TWO teenage girls to contend with, and that led the divorce to be messier and him to become more estranged from his family.