S7 was well dodgy, but I still think S6 was one of the best.
The whole earth may be sucked into Hell, and you want my help 'cause your girlfriend's a big ho?
Buffy ,'Chosen'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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UTTAD - Jul 31, 2003 5:54:41 am PDT #3991 of 10001
Strawberry disappointment.
Allyson - Jul 31, 2003 6:11:48 am PDT #3992 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Did you watch from Season one, on? Or did you become a fan later in the series?
Jim - Jul 31, 2003 6:19:58 am PDT #3993 of 10001
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!
I watched from season one, and I flat disagree with your readig of the last two seasons. Sure, they were messy (although I don't object to them just dumping the AR when they realised what a sore point it was) but they were the most inventive and unconventional seasons.
UTTAD - Jul 31, 2003 6:22:08 am PDT #3994 of 10001
Strawberry disappointment.
Watched from S1.
DCJensen - Jul 31, 2003 7:34:17 am PDT #3995 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.
I guess the only mitigating factor that the writers could pull out for the attempted rape seem to be that "Spike was drunk, alcohol is a depressant, remember what happened to Angel when he got drugged? Angelus came out to play."
It wouldn't make it alright, but they didn't even try to play that card. At least if it had been brought up, it could have been discussed as a possible attempt at explaination.
Cindy - Jul 31, 2003 8:00:08 am PDT #3996 of 10001
Nobody
But that only worked with Angel because the drug was some sort of agent that made him feel euphoric (not a depressant), thereby I dunno - sorta tricking him into feeling like his soul was gone.
(IOW - that one took a lot of wankery, too)
Lady O' Spain - Jul 31, 2003 8:05:48 am PDT #3997 of 10001
Red hair and black leather--my favorite color scheme.
I guess the only mitigating factor that the writers could pull out for the attempted rape seem to be that "Spike was drunk, alcohol is a depressant, remember what happened to Angel when he got drugged? Angelus came out to play."
Except that Angel's soul was restored by a curse that would steal the soul away again if Angel experienced true happiness. (Hence the euphoria drug.) As far as we know, Spike's soul was simply restored, without the "true happiness" clause. So happy pills wouldn't work on him like that.
(IOW - that one took a lot of wankery, too)
ITA. It did.
Jessica - Jul 31, 2003 8:07:15 am PDT #3998 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
But why would they have wanted mitigating factors in SR at all? They needed Spike to have a moment of clarity about his being a soulless being -- impossible to have that happen if he could blame his behavior on any outside force.
UTTAD - Jul 31, 2003 8:28:28 am PDT #3999 of 10001
Strawberry disappointment.
Mitigating factor for how Buffy behaved in S7, not for what Spike did in Seeing Red maybe.
Michele T. - Jul 31, 2003 8:30:58 am PDT #4000 of 10001
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi
I still type it out because the night Seeing Red aired, I read someone I had generally enjoyed reading over the years tell me that if Buffy had just let him do it, she would have enjoyed it, and I never want to forget what it was. I have no doubt Plei and Heather remember what it was, no matter if they call it the toenail clipping.
I'm not trying to personalize this: I'm sure most of the people on this board "get it." But, if I can get all theoretical here for a minute, in using the shorthand, I think you're still being interpellated into a discourse that allows the reader to look away from the event, regardless.
If I had a macro for it, I'd use it. But just like IJS, NSM, ITA, AFAIK, IIRC -- why bother? I am that lazy. But it's not dismissive. When I say AFAIK, I don't mean a diluted version of "as far as I know". I mean precisely that, just as AR means precisely "attempted rape" and "SMG" means precisely Sarah Michelle Gellar.
I never said "diluted," first off. Second, I'd ask you to consider why you use an abbreviation for this one event in the entire history of the show and not for any other.
As I think it was Cindy? pointed out, the abbreviation seems to have originated with the sort of people who thought of the attack as "attempted sex" and who still think Buffy should apologize to Spike for being so mean to him instead of vice-versa. And while it may have gotten adopted more widely just because it's easier to type, I think that ideological position is written in to the abbreviation; by using the abbreviation, by setting up a situation where someone can read for pages and pages about "AR" and never have to think about "rape" if he or she doesn't want to. .