Played with Kaylee. Sun came out, and I walked on my feet and heard with my ears. I ate the bits, the bits stayed down, and I work. I function like I'm a girl. I hate it because I know it'll go away. The sun goes dark and chaos has come again. Bits. Fluids. What am I?!

River ,'War Stories'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

This is where we talk about Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No spoilers though?if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it. This thread is NO LONGER NAFDA. Please don't discuss current Angel events here.


ZeusGirl - May 16, 2003 6:49:20 am PDT #358 of 10001
"Angel and Spike, The Starsky and Hutch of the Netherworld" - Albert Einstein in his speech to the U.N. Security Council, Sept., 1955.

I always thought they didn't kill Spike because he was hot and good for ratings.


Micole - May 16, 2003 6:59:30 am PDT #359 of 10001
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.

My whimsical theory for the day: when the First merged with *cough* had metaphysical sex with *cough* Caleb, his eyes went black, something we've seen as symbolic of possession by mysterious powers before, with Willow. Very notably, with Willow when she was possessed in "Becoming 2" and re-ensouled Angel. Offering a sort of back-handed suppot for the theory that the First had plans for Angel way back when, even before "Amends."

I'm not terribly attached to this theory, because I think that magic ought to equal power (which is dangerous and tempting and amoral in itself), not evil power; but it's fun to play with.


askye - May 16, 2003 7:16:49 am PDT #360 of 10001
Thrive to spite them

I wanted Spike to be very different from Angel, more than that I wanted Spike not to be the remorseful vampire with a soul because everyone's been working on the assumption that having a soul will make a vampire good. I wanted Spike to be different than that because I wanted Spike to be different than Angel.

Also because I'm rather bloodthirsty and I wanted to see how Buffy would deal with souled Spike who would kill once he got the chance. Because soul != good. But that's not what happened, instead Spike became whatever the hell he is.

I never saw Spike killing Nikki as anymore personal than when he killed the Chinese Slayer or his first attempts to kill Buffy. He took Nikki's coat as a trophy. Wood never really had possesion of Spike's coat, at least not in my eyes---he attempted to take back Spike's trophy but he lost the fight so Spike kept the duster.


ZeusGirl - May 16, 2003 7:42:00 am PDT #361 of 10001
"Angel and Spike, The Starsky and Hutch of the Netherworld" - Albert Einstein in his speech to the U.N. Security Council, Sept., 1955.

Anyone else been to ebay to see the Buffy auction yet? I'm waiting for the soiled socks that Buffy wore in a scene that was cut out of Episode 25. Nothing else moves me, but when those socks go up for bid, stand back and watch me toss my life savings down the bidet.

A coaster!!! For god's sake, people are bidding money on a coaster. A. Coaster. "A", as in the singlular. A coaster. A paper coaster, no less.

Call me when they put Clem's sweat glands up for bid.


askye - May 16, 2003 7:43:53 am PDT #362 of 10001
Thrive to spite them

what's the url again?


ZeusGirl - May 16, 2003 7:50:32 am PDT #363 of 10001
"Angel and Spike, The Starsky and Hutch of the Netherworld" - Albert Einstein in his speech to the U.N. Security Council, Sept., 1955.

www.ihavetoomuchmoneyand/ortoolittlesense.com


Fred Pete - May 16, 2003 8:01:13 am PDT #364 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

I never saw Spike killing Nikki as anymore personal than when he killed the Chinese Slayer or his first attempts to kill Buffy.

Wrod. "This is war. This is what men do."

Wood saw Spike as an enemy soldier as well as the ------- who killed his mother. And despite the soul, Spike was still killing and vamping humans in S7 -- still the enemy soldier (brainwashed, yes, but still an enemy soldier). Thus, perfectly legitimate to see Spike as a threat to be neutralized.

Wood's plan fails on moral grounds because it required him to trip Spike's trigger. Destroy the man (soul) and make him pure monster (vamp), to borrow Spike's metaphor from SR.

OTOH, lesser means (the bug in the eye) didn't work. So how do you deal with a Spike that's still a threat?

My point? No longer sure I have one.


§ ita § - May 16, 2003 8:57:04 am PDT #365 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

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askye - May 16, 2003 9:09:46 am PDT #366 of 10001
Thrive to spite them

SIX hundred dollars for a crystal that was part of the Magic Box set? Are these people insane?

Maybe if it was the crystal Willow used during Tabula Rasa I'd bid on it but not just because it was some random crystal somewhere on the Magic Box set that may or may not have been on tv and probably was never touched by any of the actual cast.


CaBil - May 16, 2003 9:12:31 am PDT #367 of 10001
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

The one cool thing in that list is Sweet's suits from OMWF