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Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

This is where we talk about Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No spoilers though?if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it. This thread is NO LONGER NAFDA. Please don't discuss current Angel events here.


justkim - Jul 11, 2003 7:26:16 am PDT #3360 of 10001
Another social casualty...

You may, but lord I didn't mean it that way I swear!


Am-Chau Yarkona - Jul 11, 2003 7:29:50 am PDT #3361 of 10001
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

Thanks. I know you didn't mean it that way-- it's just funny that it sounds like that.

Edit: I can take your name off it if you like. ;)


Jess M. - Jul 11, 2003 8:40:49 am PDT #3362 of 10001
Let me just say that popularity with people on public transportation does not equal literary respect. --Jesse

Justkim, I knew what you meant too, but it was really funny!


justkim - Jul 11, 2003 8:51:46 am PDT #3363 of 10001
Another social casualty...

I'm wondering if I should change my own tagline:

"justkim, who really doesn't believe agreeing with Am-Chau is a bad thing."

But then I'd sound all defensive and paranoid, and I get the giggles just thinking about it, so I'll quietly chew on my foot in the corner.


Glamcookie - Jul 11, 2003 12:58:42 pm PDT #3364 of 10001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

I'm always surprised at the lack of love for Season 5. To me, it's the best season. So many emotional eps and such changes for the characters (Dawn enters, Joyce dies, Willow ramps up the magic use, Buffy's sacrifice). I thought Forever was a great ep. I bawl at the final Buffy/Dawn scene every time. I think some people forget how great MT was in Season 5 due to her whiny Season 6 and pretty much nonexistent Season 7. I was blown away by her in her first season. The character got totally shortchanged.

As for Season 7, it blew. It was so damned frustrating and man I hated Buffy (the character), which sucks. Anyway, I've probably already posted this same message a million times in the last couple of years, so I'll shut it now.


Sheryl - Jul 11, 2003 6:13:16 pm PDT #3365 of 10001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

For me season 5 is where things started to go really downhill for me. (Season 4 had its problems, and wasn't as good as Seasons 1-3, but I still like it better than what came afterwards.)

For me it was the beginning of "let's heap lots of shit of Buffy and call it character development", resulting in the shell of a character we ended up with. I guess it was also the beginning of the "growing up is hard, nasty and it never gets better" message I got from the last few years.

But then, I'm a bit bitter.(Not to mention a heretic. t g )


Frankenbuddha - Jul 11, 2003 6:25:17 pm PDT #3366 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Season 4 had amazing standalones - some of the best ever, IMO.

I'll agree post season 5 that Dawn had no point, but I feel that that's a case where a cool plot development ended up swamping actual character development. I like MT a lot - I think she did a great job with whatever was handed to her - it's just some of it was incredibly pointless or tediously annoying. My big problem with season 5 is one that haunted 6 and 7, but never to the degree of annoyance I had with 5. The arcs took over. And I get that after so many years, that's what ended up interesting the writers - working out the arcs. I just felt that the villain in 5 was so over the top yet so lame that I couldn't justify it. That's not just Clare Kramer/Charlie Weber as actors, but the fact that when you take on a god (I think this trumps the FE in terms of bigness in a villain), it shouldn't be that frelling prosaic.


Gleebo - Jul 11, 2003 7:44:52 pm PDT #3367 of 10001
"God...my brilliance is now becoming a bit of a burden...get back to me." Dr. Cox - Scrubs

Ken knows I will back him with the huge S4 love. Best season ever.

Again I would rank them 4,2,7,6,5,3,1.


Allyson - Jul 11, 2003 8:37:29 pm PDT #3368 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Sooper seekrit message to all of my pals down with OPP:

There's gonna be another soundtrack for our fave teevee show. I don't know when, but the rumour looks to be twu. Thus ends my sooper seekrit message.


§ ita § - Jul 11, 2003 8:44:38 pm PDT #3369 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Huh.