Hecubus - the silver-tongued devil!

"Evil! Impolite and evil! Dirty, dirty liar! Evil, lying white boy!"

Or something like that. I've got it on tape somewhere.

ETA - this was not in reference to anything Hec was saying presently. Just having a nostalgic KITH moment.

Just having a nostalgic KITH moment.

Le sigh. It used to be on Comedy Central allllll the time. I took it for granted.

You wuss! Quit straddling the fence, you moral relativist!

Hee! Fine. Actually, I think Oz's betrayal was the worst. Oz himself tries to make the "it was the wolf" argument, but if you look closely, he makes all the important decisions that lead to Willow walking in on them together while he's human. The phone call, the invitation, and the pulling her into the cage all happen pre-transformation.

EtA: His real problem is not being honest about his motives later.

Le sigh. It used to be on Comedy Central allllll the time. I took it for granted.

YES!!! Where are the frelling DVDs of this?

His real problem is not being honest about his motives later.

I think you'll find that his real mistake was touching Veruca's stuff.

Where are the frelling DVDs of this?

This is where I mention that I've got the entire run on tape - sometimes first run on CBC.

the taunting never really ends.

I'm diversifying.

It's important to keep your skills current.

This is where I mention that I've got the entire run on tape - sometimes first run on CBC.

Yes, yes, yes. And I've pretty much got a complete run of MST on tape. However, tapes get decrepit. I don't envy anyone's tape collection - I want DVDs! I can't believe there's no demand for KITH on DVD, so I'm guessing rights issues. That's generally what holds these things up. Considering it was on in this country on HBO, then Comedy Central (and I think somewhere else - CBS late night?), and that it's CBC originally, I suspect the lawyers are fucking things up.

I just watched Wild at Heart again and the Joss/Marti/Seth commentary too (which is wonderful, I never want it to end, which is good as it nearly never does). I concede all the stuff about Oz's culpabilities. If you just take the metaphor as the text, then he is guilty as all hell. Seth is pretty clear about Oz's choices and while the writer-types duck, the actor is pretty direct. (cool). My only fanwank is this: if it isn't just about the metaphor, and I'd like to say that it shouldn't be just, on this show, then there is more going on than simply Oz is a betrayer. In the circumstances, there's more happening than his choice to screw around.

He's a werewolf, finding that the wolf is bleeding into his normal reality, and struggling to absorb that information and make it make sense. It is wolf moon time and he's not entirely driving the bus here. The other thing that is going on is the unfortunate other-reality that Seth has to be written out. Otherwise, it might have been possible that these two wacky kids just might have worked it out somehow. (/eternal optimist)

Anyway, IJS, that the subtext is a bit too much text in the ep, the bones are a little too close to the surface. Not that it isn't a fabulous and powerful ep, because it certainly is that.

And funny/sad, for me, I was just thinking that Wild at Heart might be the real break for me, from the series that was (the high school years) and the series that it would become. Angel is already gone (although not really, cuz he's on just after, in those days -grin-) but Oz leaving, that was a real dividing line, because he was really gone. Punctuated, of course, by the raw pain of the ep.