would it be wrong of me to want to marry hayden at this point?

As long as I don't have to buy a wedding gift. :)

Re Spike and SDT re his redemption:

I think one of the key episodes that showed Spike's redemption was Sleeper. When he called Buffy to tell her what he had done, he was simply taking responsibility for it and trying to fix it. And he expected her to stake him.

Skipping ahead to see if anyone watched the A & E Biography tonight?

I saw it too! I thought it was a pretty entertaining summation of the show. As others have said, not much new information, but I am in the nostalgic mood as well (especially after watching "The Prom"), so I was pleased. Plus, since it was on A&E, my Mom actually watched it and caught a bit of what all the hubub was about.

every time I hear that music from "The Gift" I get sniffly

It's been a while since I saw Sleeper, but thanks Wenda, yes.

I remember his reaction to what went down at the Bronze, and I remember him asking Buffy to stake him, but I didn't remember that he'd actually called her to fess up.

I also remember him volunteering to leave town. I remember Buffy stopped him, but I never read that as a "love" thing on her part, at least not one she was sure of. As far as Buffy has been concerned, I don't think she's ever known, or been portrayed to know, exactly how she feels about Spike (since he got a sou), no matter what she says to anyone else about it. Which I think is legitimate, given their whole history (I mean, does Seeing Red automatically counterdict what happened in Intervention? I don't know, and I get the feeling that's how we're supposed to read it - and by "it" I mean the whole tangled history).

Anyway, it's late - I need to get to bed.

I know everybody is probably sick of this topic by now but to use another good example of showing not telling from the season finale of Angel

In Home, the scene between Connor and Angel in the mall could be regarded as telling. Angel tells Connor he loves him. Connor finally tells Angel "You let him get me." This is telling, right? Except that it's not. Why not? Because for about 22 episodes previous to this scene neither Angel nor Connor has discussed any of these issues; all we've seen is Connor's anger and Angel's regret in practically every interaction that they've had. Virtually nothing was spoken. So when the telling comes (in beautifully natural dialogue) it's not actually telling. It's the cathartic resolution to everything we've been shown. Everything that's been under the surface. Buffy hasn't done this lately.

Tim is the boogie master of Show, Don't Tell.

NO ONE Shows like Tim Motherfucking Minear. No one.

Young Goddard is coming close. But Minear...

Blows. Me. Away.

Young Goddard is coming close.

Please don't kill me.

But don't you think (Seriously, don't kill me, please) that he's just a smidge overrated? That scene in Selfless where they finally bring up Xander's lie seemed to me a prime example of telling not showing. See also: All of Dirty Girls.

But don't you think (Seriously, don't kill me, please) that he's just a smidge overrated? That scene in Selfless where they finally bring up Xander's lie seemed to me a prime example of telling not showing. See also: All of Dirty Girls.

Well, I actually liked Dirty Girls (it was quick, and it made me laugh, and hey, I watched it in good company both times). I don't think Xander's lie was telling not showing, because, like the example from Home, it was something that had been there, in the back of her mind, for five years. I'm saddened that it turned out to be a nod to continuity and was simply dropped, like so many things from the first half of the season.

I don't think Xander's lie was telling not showing, because, like the example from Home, it was something that had been there, in the back of her mind, for five years. I'm saddened that it turned out to be a nod to continuity and was simply dropped, like so many things from the first half of the season.

I'll have to see it again (I haven't watched it since it aired.) I don't think he's horrible, just uneven. I liked most of Selfless and CwDP but I thought LMPTM and Dirty Girls were pretty lackluster.

I'll have to see it again (I haven't watched it since it aired.) I don't think he's horrible, just uneven. I liked most of Selfless and CwDP but I thought LMPTM and Dirty Girls were pretty lackluster.

LMPTM was the weak link. It violated the already existing canon WRT to the trigger and basically was another of those motherfucking move the plot along eps. Sad, because Fury and Goddard can both do better than a cheap Anne Rice rip off, so it's a shame they got stuck with the assend of the plot device. I think that, spoiler ho that I am, the early "BOO HISS!" WRT Dirty Girls meant that anything that aired was bound to be better than the spoils made it out to be.

Dirty Girls had some nice bits, esp. the Faith/Buffy.

LMPTM is the episode that made me go no mail on a bunch of groups when the spoilers came out, but still somehow lived down to expectations.