it would have made a tremedous difference if it had been Xander, and not Spike, who stayed up holding Buffy all night in a non-romantic show of support--especially after they've played the metaphor all season of Buffy bringiing everything inside her house, and Xander constantly repairing the hosue, until Xander basically couldn't keep up with the damage andBuffy bringing so much inside the house that there was no room anymore for her.

Another WTF moment for me and amyth: Buffy telling Spike AND Xander that they were her source of strength. Next she'll be telling Angel that. If she tells Andrew...

A. seems like B would get different things from Xander and Spike

B. internal strength is a nice thing, too. especially in a slayer.

eta I really like the post, in addition to using it as a jumping off point.

It's kind of appropriate that the last live thread with be 4. It's making me all schmoopy-nostalgic for our core four. (Remember them?)

Another WTF moment for me and amyth: Buffy telling Spike AND Xander that they were her source of strength. Next she'll be telling Angel that. If she tells Andrew...

"You are my source of geek..."

From the third:

But, you know, Marti and whoever is in the room make lots of suggestions and they don't get done.

I just realized I sounded like Blame Marti! No, I know that every script is a concerted effort, that it passes through many hands, after many minds break the arcs and episodes, together.

My Pointy McPoint is that the writers decided that the Worst Possible Thing Spike could do was to try to rape Buffy. It was the Ultimate Piece of Shit Maneuver.

But amongst so many minds, not one little voice said, "How are we gonna recover from this? This is the Worst of the Worst, so we're gonna have to come up with the Best of the Best to recover."?

Little was done to recover, from our Hero's perspective. Spike went and done got a soul, and that was that. More time has been spent watching SiTs stumble through smoke than has spent dealing with the Worst Possible Thing that happened between two main characters, perhaps THE main characters.

So, this is only related to Buffy by the slimmest of tangents, but--

OB's office calls me yesterday with test results. Diabetes test is fine, but it turns out I'm anemic, so I need to start taking iron pills. I buy the brand they recommend, despite the fact that it is named Slow FE. I fear that, if the whole Caleb thing doesn't work out, the FE is already working another angle. If I start getting uberstrength and black irises, I'll tell you.

Would "Thank god we're hot chicks with superpowers" be too spoily as a tagline? Unattributed, probably without quotation marks.

If she tells Andrew...

Actually, now I kinda want to see this because, while part of Andrew would want to relish in hearing this, I think Andrew would just look at ther with a mildly baffled expression on his face, and when she was over say something like "what are you talking about? I was a villain a year ago, you're just being nice to me." Or something.

Also? I have this somber, lip-quivery feeling just walking into this thread.

Double digits?

To add substance, I think I'd agree with ted if his thought were changed from "no objective standard" to "too many subjective standards." Which may be another way of bringing in the Kantian argument.

But look at us. We already have something in common as Buffistas. And even on the show, just about any opinion will have its dissenters. I don't think there's even an ep about which there's unanimous feeling.

And that's before getting to things like the One True Cookie discussion going on right now in Natter.

Big "AWWWWWW" to the thread title. Props to the thinker-upper.

Buffy loves Angel, and Angel loves Buffy, and they complete each other and make each not lonely and make each other funnier and cooler.

That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it.

Yes, Allyson. If Spike was going to return to his evil, killing, vamp ways, no problem with the attempted rape. But they want us to like Spike and even root for him. Ain't gonna happen after an attempted rape.