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Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Betsy HP - May 14, 2003 5:59:07 pm PDT #229 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

"Get out now while you still can! I hear there's a place where everybody knows your name!"


jengod - May 14, 2003 6:00:07 pm PDT #230 of 10001

That wrap-party Sarah-sucks glee article is hysterical!


Steph L. - May 14, 2003 6:00:46 pm PDT #231 of 10001
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

"Get out now while you still can! I hear there's a place where everybody knows your name!"

Oh, man. Seriously.


Aims - May 14, 2003 6:01:07 pm PDT #232 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

And it's almost time for the Class Protector award.

Favorite. Buffy Moment. Ever. I get the allergies, too Steph.


Miss Vanna - May 14, 2003 6:01:43 pm PDT #233 of 10001
I 've been hands under the shirt, over the bra, Calvins in a wad on the front seat with some S7 Buffy spoilers - but we never went all the way ~tinaf

Oh, the Buffy Angel dance...I'm sobbing.


Cindy - May 14, 2003 6:01:54 pm PDT #234 of 10001
Nobody

And when Xander tells Buffy (cudgeling my memory here), "Riley really loves you, and you're being a moron 'cause you really love him too, but you're being stubborn and you'll lose him forever," it worked for me since to my mind that had already been shown over the course of the season. So for me, that speech showed the "sees through other people's bullshit" ability that's one of Xander's main characteristics, even though he was entirely talking about other people's feelings

Possibly. The Xander point wasn't mine (and wouldn't have been) so I'm not inclined to defend it. I was too angered by the wrongness of what he was saying, to ever give it enough thought to decide they were "telling" not "showing". That might be the *one* thing Xander ever did on the show that seriously pissed me off.


Cindy - May 14, 2003 6:03:02 pm PDT #235 of 10001
Nobody

Oh, the Buffy Angel dance...I'm sobbing.

I danced to Wild Horses at my Sr. Prom, with my high school sweetheart (of course it was the Stones, not the Sundays - who were probably in pre-school). That breaks me.


ted r - May 14, 2003 6:03:19 pm PDT #236 of 10001
"You got twelve, and they got twelve. The old ladies are just as good as you are." -Dr. Einstein

I think that it would derail this argument from its endless circle if you focused more on examples, Ted. I mean that instead of saying you disagree that telling has been less effective this season, or that there's been more showing than those of us who have been complaining think, it would be more convincing for me if you would cite effective S7 incidences of showing and/or telling.

Let's go with the speeches: Spike in Beneath You, Xander in Potential, and Spike in (what was the title, Empty Places?). Or Spike last night for that matter. All contained enormous amounts of subtext beneath the spoken words. They were NOT (imo) just telling us things about the character-they were demonstrating things about them. And in the reactions of those listening, things about others.

I haven't been told about Spike's redemption and Buffy's growing acceptance-I've witnessed it, from Buffy preparing to stake Spike in Beneath You to Spike holding Buffy through the night in Touched. Spike on the Cross. Buffy's reaction to the news Spike sired Holden. Spike's horror as he realized he was killing again and his recoiling as the FE made him attack Buffy. Spike standing up to FE Drusilla because of his faith in Buffy, and Buffy justifying that faith by rescuing him.etc. etc. etc.

Now I'm not expecting to convince anyone who disagrees. This season sucked for you, fine, it sucks (for you). You think there was too much telling and not enough showing. Fine. But no, I don't accept others judgements as facts I have to bow down before. I trust my own judgements, thank you very much.


Betsy HP - May 14, 2003 6:03:46 pm PDT #237 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I thought the way he walked out on his wedding was beyond cowardly. Totally in character, totally the culmination of his behavior that season, but I was really pissed off at him.


Miss Vanna - May 14, 2003 6:05:56 pm PDT #238 of 10001
I 've been hands under the shirt, over the bra, Calvins in a wad on the front seat with some S7 Buffy spoilers - but we never went all the way ~tinaf

Oh, it's the end of Dawson, I gotta go watch, the end of my era of television is increasingly apparent.