It's simple. I slap 'em around a bit, torture 'em, make their lives hell...Sure, the nice guys'll run away,but every now and then you'll find a prince like Spike who gets off on it.

Buffy ,'Get It Done'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Anne W. - May 22, 2003 10:07:42 am PDT #1954 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

So what was Xander's journey in S7?

I think Xander's journey climaxed at the end of S6 when he faced down Willow. His speech to Dawn at the end of "Potential" was a good summing up of his character.

His journey continued, however, in that he kept on doing the right thing despite his vulnerability and notable lack of power, and despite the fact that he was badly battered throughout the whole process. He suffered more loss than any of the other Scoobs this season (his eye, Anya), and yet he was still there at the end, standing tall with the rest of them. Lack of power and vulnerability doesn't mean you can't fight the good fight.

Giles was presumably supposed to be coming to terms with giving up power to Buffy, though unfortunately that was expressed through pod Giles.

I think the fact that he stopped being Pod!Giles when he heard Buffy's plan was significant (assuming that the podness was intentional, that is). He was, IMO, grieving the loss of a power structure that he'd known all of his life. In the end, he was able to move on joyfully to a new structure that went against everything that had been drilled into him as a Watcher and as a child in a family of Watchers.


§ ita § - May 22, 2003 10:09:18 am PDT #1955 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

assuming that the podness was intentional, that is

You are kinder than I.

I'm still convinced the podness was everyone (but Joss) suddenly losing a grip on this character that's been there SINCE DAY ONE.

Yeah, still bitter.


Steph L. - May 22, 2003 10:10:41 am PDT #1956 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I'm still convinced the podness was everyone (but Joss) suddenly losing a grip on this character that's been there SINCE DAY ONE.

Yeah, still bitter.

Again, I say: Aeryn Sun.

Bad writing just happens.


§ ita § - May 22, 2003 10:13:19 am PDT #1957 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

See, I didn't like any of the final season of Farscape, so pod!Aeryn was just icing on a tepid cake for me. Also, I suspect she was supposed to have been different from the previous Aeryn (the whole crappy hair, et al.), and they just failed to make her still be interesting.

I have no narrative indication that this was supposed to be a different Giles.


Sue - May 22, 2003 10:20:23 am PDT #1958 of 10001
hip deep in pie

Last week, our local alt-weekly had a send off article on Buffy, written by their movie critic, Mark Palermo. This week they have a letter to the editor about the accompanying cover art and the show in general. I debated on posting this because the woman is clearly a crank, but I thought it amazingly insane:

To the editor:

First of all, let me say how disgusted I am by your latest cover ("One last stab for Buffy" May 15). It blatantly depicts a woman about to commit a violent murder. [Sue's note: she was about to stake a vampire.] Have you morons been reading the real papers lately? Violent crimes by young women are on the rise and the backlash from men is too. Shows like Buffy and Xena are thinly veiled attempts at male-bashing. Just look at the violence they commit on a weekly basis towards men. We women would not put up with a show that portrayed a male version of Buffy, so why should we expect men to? I think Mark Palermo is one of those submissive types who fantasize about female domination. Well, Mark, I'd just like to say I'm a real woman who enjoys a strong dominant man, so keep your toe-licking fantasies to yourself.

[The rest of the letter is a diatribe about lazy, good for nothing, stuck in the 50's Maritimers, and how she can't wait to leave this goddam province.]


Deena - May 22, 2003 10:22:15 am PDT #1959 of 10001
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

Wow, that's just amazing.


Consuela - May 22, 2003 10:24:25 am PDT #1960 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

t boggled wow


Laura - May 22, 2003 10:25:19 am PDT #1961 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.

so keep your toe-licking fantasies to yourself.

Snerk. Well, you just can't please all the people all the time.


Aims - May 22, 2003 10:26:37 am PDT #1962 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Remonds me of the woman who wrote to Reader's Digest screaming at them for supporting JK Rowling when, "according to internet newspaper The Onion, she is recuiting millions of children to her satanic cult."

My mind just can't wrap around folks like this, Sue.


Steph L. - May 22, 2003 10:27:18 am PDT #1963 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

The world outside of Buffista Island is full of whack-jobs, yo.