Given that Angel suggested Buffy not use it, I think there was danger attached. And he seemed pretty resigned when he took it, not just when it kicked in.
We gotta go to the crappy town where I'm the hero!
Wash ,'Jaynestown'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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§ ita § - May 21, 2003 11:02:01 am PDT #1609 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Anne W. - May 21, 2003 11:03:13 am PDT #1610 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
They didn't know that that amulet had the potential of killing the guy wearing it, did they?
Not as such, but as Angel said, they really didn't know what it could do. Also, even if Spike wasn't physically able to leave, his attitude throughout the whole thing showed that he would have made that choice even with full foreknowledge of what would happen.
Betsy HP - May 21, 2003 11:03:28 am PDT #1611 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
I'm wondering if the "cleansing" did something to (soulless) vampires everywhere, not just the UberVamps. We'll have to wait and see.
Susan W. - May 21, 2003 11:03:52 am PDT #1612 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights
OK, I just got a plot bunny for a story about the softball slayer girl. Please restrain me before I commit cheesey bad baseball fic.
Jim - May 21, 2003 11:07:09 am PDT #1613 of 10001
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!
Love Joy Press. She's Simon Reynolds' wife, and a lovely woman (I went out to dinner with them yonks ago. She's also the best feminist rock critic around.
Betsy HP - May 21, 2003 11:09:19 am PDT #1614 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
Here's hoping Annika Sorenstam got some Slayer in her.
askye - May 21, 2003 11:11:34 am PDT #1615 of 10001
Thrive to spite them
I don't think it's morally reprehenisble to snuggle with someone you know doesn'tlove you back, or you have the sneaking suspcion doesn't love you back.
Spike knew that Buffy didn't feel the same way about him and he did what he did willingly.
I've been in Spike's position, where there was someone I really cared about, but who I knew didn't love me, and I took cuddled with them when I had the chance because that's what I wanted to do.
Buffy never made any promises to Spike about her feelings, Spike has always known that he has stronger feelings for Buffy than she has for him. He's known this from the very beginning---before this season in fact.
Sean K - May 21, 2003 11:14:34 am PDT #1616 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
I see a situation in which two consenting adults get more out of it than if they hadn't, come out with less pain (both, not just the one with the "upper hand") as not using.
I have to agree with ita here. There are waaaaaaay more choices in a relationship between two people than just a) using, and b) pure, unadulterated, True Love.
Jessica - May 21, 2003 11:15:34 am PDT #1617 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
I see a situation in which two consenting adults get more out of it than if they hadn't, come out with less pain (both, not just the one with the "upper hand") as not using.
Yes, this.
scrappy - May 21, 2003 11:18:45 am PDT #1618 of 10001
Nobody
Leading someone on to get comfort is using them. Telling them honestly how you feel and telling them part of those feelings involves relying on them is not, IMO, using. I think it is actually more honorable than what Wenda is talking about--because she gave Spike a choice, which gives him more power than if she decides for him. I don't want to be manipulated or lied to--but I also don't want to be patronized and have my choices taken away from me.