Mal: How drunk was I last night? Jayne: Well I dunno. I passed out.

'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Vonnie K - May 21, 2003 10:20:38 am PDT #1585 of 10001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

Hey, I recall, sometime in the middle of S3 Creek (during Pacey's pining phase) that Pacey actually mentioned Hellmouth, as in "if I confess my feelings to this girl, the cosmos will shift and the hellmouth will open up and swallow the Capeside whole" (or something like that.)


Jessica - May 21, 2003 10:23:16 am PDT #1586 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Eee! Joey and Dawson are demons!!!

Dude....so that giant forehead is really a prosthetic he wears to hide the demon ridges?


P.M. Marc - May 21, 2003 10:25:36 am PDT #1587 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Dude....so that giant forehead is really a prosthetic he wears to hide the demon ridges?

Totally! It all makes so much sense...


Frankenbuddha - May 21, 2003 10:28:47 am PDT #1588 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Well Angel and Dawson DO both have hair issues.

Not the same hair issues, mind you, but...ijs.


ted r - May 21, 2003 10:30:26 am PDT #1589 of 10001
"You got twelve, and they got twelve. The old ladies are just as good as you are." -Dr. Einstein

I subscribe to Salon (really-not trying to steal here) but for some reason I'm having trouble with it today. I wrote them for help, but in the meantime I lack the patience to wait for a reply so if anyone who does sub can e-mail me a copy of the review of the final Buffy appearing today, I'd appreciate it. My e-mail is tdraicer@aol.com.

Thanks!


Laura - May 21, 2003 10:30:40 am PDT #1590 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.

I've never seen Dawson's Creek so this is lost on me.

The brilliance of the ep was that it doesn't matter if you wanted Buffy/Spike sex or not, it doesn't matter if you feel that some year Buffy/Angel will have fat grandchildren. It didn't exclude any version.

Sweet!


Dana - May 21, 2003 10:31:52 am PDT #1591 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Ah. I do love Joss. His description of the girls becoming slayers:

We steadicam along the row of Potentials as they too absorb the power. It's a rushing wind, a hammer blow, it's hard, soft, confusing, a first orgasm, a perfect equation, a fevered dream...it's power.


Anne W. - May 21, 2003 10:33:01 am PDT #1592 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

William/Spike has always been looking for love outside himself... Cecily, Dru. Buffy-- and has alwasy been looking for something 'effulgent' or glowing. And in the end he found that inside himself, literally glowing.

thud

Brilliant.


Jim - May 21, 2003 10:34:46 am PDT #1593 of 10001
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

world ends This is the way the world ends this is the way the world ends not with a bang but a …"

-- T.S. Eliot, "The Hollow Men"

Hole.

As of the last 10 minutes of the last-ever episode of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer," a show that has challenged, energized and sometimes confounded audiences for seven seasons, the town of Sunnydale -- an entryway to the gates of Hell itself -- no longer exists. It is a hole, a large dusty hole, a hole that has swallowed, supposedly forever, the forces of evil that had been gathering to destroy the world. The core characters of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" -- Buffy, Willow, Xander and Giles (played by Sarah Michelle Gellar, Alyson Hannigan, Nicholas Brendon and Anthony Stewart Head) -- the ones who have always meant the most to people who love the show, survived the battle. Anya and Spike (Emma Caulfield and James Marsters), characters most of us also grew to love, did not.

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But every one of them, dead or alive, leaves a hole.

Until the very last two episodes, I had believed that "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" had reached its true and natural end last season, at which point Willow had come within a hair's breadth of destroying the world and Spike had crawled off to God-knows-where to get all sweaty and naked and re-emerge with a soul. The Spike and Buffy romance of last season had made perfect and devastating sense: Theirs was a connection born of carnal desire, desperation, mutual outsider status and a little healthy, old-fashioned self-loathing. It made us uncomfortable, and it turned us on. Were we meant to fully understand it? I hope not. What does anyone ever truly understand about sex anyway?

Most of this season felt vaguely anticlimactic. It rolled off to a slow start as the characters, particularly Willow, came to terms with having pulled back from the edge. Series creator Joss Whedon and his writers did their best to build a sense of dread about what was coming, dread that was sustained for a few episodes at least. Remember the First Evil's withering warning, "From beneath you it will devour"? As we now know, the First just meant there were a lot of bad guys lurking underneath the surface of the city, an army of bony, bald, bloodthirsty goblins whose throngs evoked the menace of the advancing enemy army in "The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers." They were terrifying in their sheer numbers, but somehow they didn't exactly fulfill the potential horror that that warning represented. Still, until we actually met that army, we didn't know exactly what the First meant. Whatever it had in mind sounded vaguely sexual, almost titillating in its sense of sinister promise.

Then came the potential slayers, summoned to Sunnydale to help fight the First's mounting threat, and the series' sense of dread wobbled uncertainly in that pajama party-boot camp setting. Buffy, intent on getting the girls ready to face the horror she knew was coming, became self-serious and tiresome, carrying a heavier load on her shoulders than ever before. She gets a good St. Crispian's day speech in there somewhere, but we feel her authority hissing out of her -- that was precisely the point, but Buffy's tireless sense of self-righteous selfhood dragging on the show's momentum. Then the truly terrifying misogynist "priest" Caleb shows up, and the show gets a jolt. And then a misfire: Xander gets an eye poked out and, while we always need to expect that bad things will happen to people we love in the "Buffy" universe, there's something about the act that feels forced and false.

For much of this past season, the single biggest thing we've always held dear about the chief characters in "Buffy" had been held away from us: Their wit. Too exhausted and scared to be funny, the characters concentrated on battling the coming, faceless evil with grim determination -- not a good look on any gal or guy. They were humorless and glum, with the exception of reformed bad-guy nerd Andrew (Tom Lenk), the also-ran who ended up being the saving grace of the season, getting most of the sporty asides the other characters were no longer allowed. (The phone rings, and he answers with obvious excitement: It's the comic-book store, telling him that the latest "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" has come in. Xander, caught up momentarily by Andrew's enthusiasm, pipes up: "Can they get two?")

And then suddenly, or perhaps gradually, in the last week or so leading up to the finale, Whedon began to restore the characters to us. Instead of snapping at one another, they fell into their old patterns of working together, patterns that until recently had always (or almost always) worked without a hitch: Buffy asks Xander for an important favor, which he, in his unswerving faithfulness, doesn't hesitate to carry out. Giles and Willow hit the books, sifting through information that will, with any luck, help them beat the devil. Gearing up for battle, the bunches of people who have gathered at the Summers household to destroy the coming evil (among them Eliza Dushku's Faith and D.B. Woodside's Principal Wood) make jokes -- and make love. What have they got to lose?


Typo Boy - May 21, 2003 10:35:45 am PDT #1594 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Ted - R - why not use the free day pass while waiting for the reply?