Mal: So we run. Nandi: I understand, Captain Reynolds. You have your people to think of, same as me. And this ain't your fight. Mal: Don't believe you do understand, Nandi. I said 'we run'. We.

'Heart Of Gold'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

This is where we talk about Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No spoilers though?if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it. This thread is NO LONGER NAFDA. Please don't discuss current Angel events here.


Amber B. - May 21, 2003 8:12:49 am PDT #1491 of 10001
I'm beginning to understand this now. It's all about the journey, isn't it?

Hey, Ted, I love your list, except for:

Get it Done C I remember little about it, never a good sign.

Shadow puppets, slayer dream, Spike retrieving his coat, "they chained her to the earth", Willow briefly becoming BlackHaired!Willow again. One of my favorite episodes of the season, though few others seem to like it much.

I, too, was one of the ones that started with it, and finished with it, and it's a good feeling to have done that with a show that wasn't cancelled unrisen.

And a good feeling to still feel a great deal of love for the show. Yeah, I'm still working on getting rid of the residual X-Files bitterness.


Betsy HP - May 21, 2003 8:16:41 am PDT #1492 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Hoya, could you back and whitefont this: HoyaSaxa "Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh." May 21, 2003 7:40:21 am EDT

Casting spoiler.


Betsy HP - May 21, 2003 8:17:37 am PDT #1493 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

It was a really satisfying episode.

One of the best bits, for me? Watching Joss empowering all those proto-Slayers while holding a 12-year-old girl on my lap. He set the myth free.


Laura - May 21, 2003 8:19:50 am PDT #1494 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.

I am happily spoiled on casting issues, but they really shouldn't be discussed here. That is what the Lite thread is for. This should be a safe zone for the spoiler phobes.


askye - May 21, 2003 8:20:40 am PDT #1495 of 10001
Thrive to spite them

I'm still hung up on Anya dying. But on reflection I feel better about Xander's reaction. He was in shock about everything that happened and even though Sunnydale is just a crater the situation isn't over--there were wounded to take care, figuring out a place to go, supplies to get. I'm sure Xander was still in crisis mode, all he could process at the time was Anya was dead but she'd died saving Andrew.

I'm sure later, when things settled down, it really hit him that Anya was dead and he grieved.


DXMachina - May 21, 2003 8:33:40 am PDT #1496 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Watching Joss empowering all those proto-Slayers while holding a 12-year-old girl on my lap.

Ya know, when I saw that my first thought was that Willow just set loose a fair number of super-strong potential bullies on the world. My second thought, much later on, was that the government will hunt them down.

mearaing a bit:

What I hurt the most about Anya dying was her being left behind, not being found. Just lying there.

Yes, this. Anya has been my favorite character from the get-go, and watching her die, and then abandoned by Xander...

I just have this to say: Msbelle is as tough as she says she is.

There was this glow that seemed to descend upon her around about 8:45 EDT. I really think she got some of the slayer powers. It was either that or all the bourbon...

I'm just still coming to terms with the whole on-line culture thing. It's partly me being a bit wary of meeting people (this is not just an on-line thing), and me being aware or overly cautious or ridiculously self-conscious of imposing my presence on others (so to speak). I still want to go through the whole meet and greet stage on-line, and then let people (including myself) decide if the F2F is appropriate.

Ken, we were thinking of you last night, mostly kicking ourselves for not inviting you after your delurk. Sorry about that. We have a mailling list. Instructions on how to subscribe are here.

but didn't you just love VI!

She kicked ass. I'd watch a show about her.

I SO TOTALLY CALLED IT. Okay, I didn't, I thought Buffy would have to give up her own power somehow and then get it back, but I called the empowering other Slayers thing. Along with Cindy and a lot of other people. But in any case I feel smug.

When Buffy had her brilliant idea immediately the FE taunted her that she would have to die for further slayers to be called, I was really scared they were going to try that whole "let's kill and revive Buffy and Faith again and again until we have a ton of slayers called," that we once discussed here. Thank god I was really, really wrong.


Lee - May 21, 2003 8:33:45 am PDT #1497 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Since I couldn't fall back asleep when the cats woke me up at 5:30, I just rewatched the episode, and I ffel better about Xander's reaction too. It was clear that someone (I think Dawn) more or less dragged him out of the building, and that finding out what happened to her was very important to him.


Jenny_G - May 21, 2003 8:33:48 am PDT #1498 of 10001
One eye out for highway danger, the other out for fruit. - fr. Martin Mull's Truckdrivin' Songs for the Eight Basic Food Groups

I'm sure you'll be happy to know that my house in Somerville was also filled with drunken laughing/crying Buffy fans, including most of the cast of Buffy the High School Slayer's High School Reunion. We had Blood Oranges, (s)Layer Cake, Angel Cake and Bloomin' Onions. Also averaged more than one bottle of red wine per person.

My friend Kevin is a crossword puzzle constructor, and he made a wonderful cryptic in honor of the finale. It's available at [link]

Warning: Kevin makes fiendishly hard puzzles. If you're not a cryptics fan, you probably don't want to tackle this, though you'll probably get a kick out of the clues.

I was completely blown away by the puzzle. First of all, it must have been incredibly difficult to create (the way the puzzle is designed there are very serious constraints on both the grid entries & the first few letters of each of the clues). Second, like all of Kevin's puzzles, it is extraordinarily well-constructed and fair. Third, it was made for a very small audience. There aren't that many people who are into psychotically difficult word puzzles AND Buffy fans. Of course, Kevin did bring it to the place where there would be the highest concentration of such people.

Anyone who wants help or hints on the puzzle, feel free to email me.


TomW - May 21, 2003 8:34:41 am PDT #1499 of 10001
"The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be."

I think I figured out what was up with Giles all season. He left England in such a hurry, he forgot to take his Jaffa Cakes. Without their soft, chocolately, orangey goodness to keep him grounded, he's a bit of a jerk.

Once he got a fresh supply, he was all better.

Blah, blah, blah, I'm so stuffy, give me a Jaffa Cake.


Steph L. - May 21, 2003 8:39:02 am PDT #1500 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I'm not all broken up or numb or weepy. I suspect I might be later, but not now. Right now, I'm all full of the much-ness of the episode.

These are my thoughts from last night, in no real order....

My big overall regret for the *season* is Giles. He is to Season 7 what Aeryn Sun was to Season 4 of Farscape. Maybe they ran off together before their respective seasons started. Giles tonight was nice, but too little, too late.

WTF was Buffy wearing when she gave the "I'm ending this NOW" speech? Guess the costumers had to get one last atrocity in.

I really expected one of the Core 4 to die -- probably Willow or Giles. I figured Buffy wouldn't die again, and Xander already lost an eye. But they all survived!

Holy Shit, they not only closed the Hellmouth, and destroyed the school (again), they got rid of Sunnydale!

I can't even pretend to be sorry Anya died. See ya; wouldn't want to be ya! I will say she died well.

I am thrilled Andrew survived.

I spent the entire Buffy/Angel scene yelling, alternately: "Go back to LA, hairloaf!" "Dude, you had a SON! Are you forgetting that?" "Hey, remember being in love with CORDY?"

The word "Champion" infected BTVS for the last episode. Damn it.

The Dungeons and Dragons game gave me a giggling fit.

Could the Amulet of Redemptive Death have BEEN more Drag Queeny? (At the first commercial break, after Angel said "blah blah, amulet purifies, blah blah," I turned to Mom and said "I've got it! Spike is going to become human! Or maybe a drag queen.")

At the very end, I really expected a human Spike to crawl out of the pit of Sunnydale.

And Spike. How do I feel about Spike's Big Redemptive Act? I didn't expect it, that's for sure. As he started to dust, I sat there with my mouth hanging open. They moved on to the next scene, and I couldn't even take it in. Finally I said "Mom, did they just KILL SPIKE?"

I feel like it was a little bit of a spotlight stealer. Show not called "Spike." Also, it was a little cheesy -- "I can feel my soul." Yeah, dude, we ALL can.

I didn't expect the transference of Slayer power to all Potentials everywhere. I loved seeing the girl who was getting beaten up slowly stand up after she got zapped with the power.

And the girl playing baseball made me teary. Only because I used to play softball at that age. I could really imagine the surge of power. I wanted to see her hit it out of the park.

I finally liked Hat!Girl Slayer. She kicked ASS!

The battle scene was a little stolen from Helm's Deep. Just a little.

When Buffy got stabbed through the gut, Mom yelled "It's only a flesh wound!" The woman watched too much Monty Python.

I got the feeling at the end that the Scoobies, et al., were going to, in their own way, re-form the Watchers' Council. Someone -- was it Xander? Giles? -- said something about needing to find all the girls who had Slayer power. I assume to find and train them. I like that idea, as long as it involves Real!Giles.

OH MY GOD!!! Buffy essentially gave Spike a Spike/Angel HoYay speech, including wrestling and oil!

Loved the drawing of Angel that Spike put on the punching bag.

I actually liked the basement interlude between Buffy and Spike -- the dialogue, mostly, versus the snuggling. (Were we supposed to think they had The Sex?)