Anya: We should drop a piano on her. It always works for that creepy cartoon rabbit when he's running from that nice man with the speech impediment. Giles: Yes, or perhaps we could paint a convincing fake tunnel on the side of a mountain.

'Touched'


Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


Hil R. - Apr 14, 2003 11:38:03 pm PDT #90 of 10005
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Disagreeing with warning Allyson. Warnings are for continually not only violating community standards, but also seriously disrupting the board. I disagree with how she said what she said, and some of her responses lately, but she has not disrupted the board in a way that would require a warning.


Allyson - Apr 14, 2003 11:38:44 pm PDT #91 of 10005
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Which part of me respects on some level, but I also think that you know you've earned it.

I know that I've earned a lot of things, Wolfram. A warning? Not one of them, actually.


Trudy Booth - Apr 14, 2003 11:40:06 pm PDT #92 of 10005
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Dude, I never should have said "Orwellian." It was unfortunate hyperbole then and it is now.


Wolfram - Apr 14, 2003 11:40:25 pm PDT #93 of 10005
Visilurking

This entire thing is absolfuckinglutely ridiculous. By all means, let's bend over backwards for a poster who has made NO meaningful contribution for this community except to cause drama and problems. We'll just let her walk up one side and down another. And then we can turn around and flog someone who has been a valued member of this community because she won't conform her thoughts on a single subject to fit others' beliefs on what's acceptable.

Equal treatment. That's what it's always been about. Allyson's contributions are numerous and valuable and Zoe is a semi-coherent newbie babbler. But if either one violates CS, warn 'em. Equal treatment.


Steph L. - Apr 14, 2003 11:41:18 pm PDT #94 of 10005
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

This entire thing is absolfuckinglutely ridiculous. By all means, let's bend over backwards for a poster who has made NO meaningful contribution for this community except to cause drama and problems. We'll just let her walk up one side and down another. And then we can turn around and flog someone who has been a valued member of this community because she won't conform her thoughts on a single subject to fit others' beliefs on what's acceptable.

I agree totally.

Okay Steph, I get it. You think it's bullshit. But I'm not asking for a retroactive warning. I honestly feel her posts today crossed the line.

Really? Then can you clarify this, from post #80:

"because a) she violated CS, seemingly apologized for it, and now admits that her violation was intentional and remains unapologetic for that violation. I don't care if it was months ago"

Sounds retroactive to me.


Kat - Apr 14, 2003 11:43:03 pm PDT #95 of 10005
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Posting style, Wolfram. General posting style. The desire to make everything about her by disrupting the flow of conversation in at least two active threads here and at least one on PF. Entering threads and spamming them. Calling the Buffistas vengeful somethings.

The last bit. Those are from today.

But if you want chapter and verse and citations, you'll have to look it up on your own.

If you don't think she causes community turmoil, look back on the 500+ posts here and in the previous thread. And the fact that you yourself stated that she drives you crazy.

I'm tired of having to defend myself for having asked that she be warned. I'm tired of having to defend myself to you because she's already been warned. It happened. The end.

But yet, somehow I'm still the person in the wrong.

I'm so in agreement with everything askye has said with not understanding how Zoe merits protection and special treatment and the people who are saying, "Listen, this is a bad situation for the community" need to be the ones defending themselves. To me, it's a big "FUCK YOU" because it denotes a remarkable lack of respect for our experiences.

And frankly, you can coat your post in nice sugary words ("I don't mean to be snippy") but it rankles, offends and feels like a slap in the face just the same.


Hil R. - Apr 14, 2003 11:43:58 pm PDT #96 of 10005
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

But if either one violates CS, warn 'em. Equal treatment.

That's not equal treatment. That's the same concept as those zero-tolerance rules that get kids suspended for bringing Tylenol to school. We're not enforcing laws here, we're running a board. Zoe has been disrupting it. Allyson isn't.


Steph L. - Apr 14, 2003 11:44:09 pm PDT #97 of 10005
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

See, actually, Wolfram, the first step is for you to ask for an apology in-thread. But what is it you want an apology for? Because all you can ask for is an apology for her actions. Which she DID apologize for, MONTHS ago.

I feel that you are WAY out of line here.


Allyson - Apr 14, 2003 11:44:15 pm PDT #98 of 10005
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

But if either one violates CS, warn 'em. Equal treatment.

Hm. Because, well, the thing is, people are warned for pervasive behavior over time. We weigh their contributions. So, no, i don't think everyone who sets foot on this board is created equal, just because they have a net connection and the ability to type. I asked to be treated fairly, not equally. Zoe, Schmoker and I, we ain't equals.


P.M. Marc - Apr 14, 2003 11:45:35 pm PDT #99 of 10005
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Okay, Kat said what I wanted to, but nicer, and without the swearing.

Because it feels to me like you've been pushing and pushing to mold this board into something it never was, and you've been stomping on the feelings of long-term posters left and right for the sakes of a handful of asswads.