Wow, you've really mastered the power of positive giving-up.

Cordelia ,'End of Days'


Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

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§ ita § - Apr 01, 2004 7:33:59 pm PST #8992 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Trudy, if you have the facts about JenK, share them, and convince us why you know the truth.

Except I don't really want to say that, because I don't think it's your place, and that it's incredibily rude to pretend it is.

If what Elena posted is her explaining why she's never coming back, then voila! No hearsay, actual evidence.

I can't believe I'm having to take a stand against talking behind someone's back in public about something so sensitive and personal.

Where is that polite?


Consuela - Apr 01, 2004 7:40:02 pm PST #8993 of 10005
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I'm with ita.

I don't really know why JenK left, anymore than I know why John H left. If they wanted me to know, they'd have told me.

They didn't, therefore it's not my business.

Nor yours, to tell me.


Sean K - Apr 01, 2004 7:41:29 pm PST #8994 of 10005
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

What. ita. said.


Scrappy - Apr 01, 2004 7:43:24 pm PST #8995 of 10005
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Trudy, unless JenK or anyone else asked me to speak for them, I would feel uncomfortable using them and their feelings to bolster an argument,
even if I knew what those feelings were. I think you are being honest here and I admire that, but it does involve speaking for someone else, and about a subject that is painful for them. I think there is too much possibilty of misspeaking and even MORE hurt feelings there.


Jen - Apr 01, 2004 7:45:20 pm PST #8996 of 10005
love's a dream you enter though I shake and shake and shake you

OK, here's the deal: I intended only to take a few days' break, for deep breathing and to stop feeling crappy/hurt/guilty/etc. What ended up happening is much as Kat suggests; a combination of meatspace things followed hard on the heels of that day, none of which have anything to do with the board at all[1]. They, far more than anything else, have kept me away and will almost certainly continue to do so for the forseeable future.

So there it is, straight from the horse's mouth. I haven't read more than the last 20 or so preceding posts, so I have no idea how or if I'm relevant to the discussion at hand, but I hope this information is helpful somehow.

Also, my profile email address is good and I would love to hear from anyone with the inclination to be in touch, about this or just to say hello.

[1] In brief: I got a divorce. 80-90 hours of classes/labs/studying/clinicals per week is pretty standard right now. I've been feeling a bit crappy MS-wise. Yeah, and there's that whole divorce thing.


Frankenbuddha - Apr 01, 2004 7:45:42 pm PST #8997 of 10005
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Here's an idea, go back and look at Elena's posts. She's not coming back for a good long time if ever.

Trudy, I'm going to assume (always a dangerous thing) that the deathmatch kerfuffle was the last straw, rather than the catalyst. To which I say, go back and read the posts when the objections were raised. Given that there were numerous responses at the time saying variations of "I don't see anything wrong with the death match posts in press", do you really think it even would have gotten to the voting stage? If it had happened when she was on vacation, would she even have known about it unless she went back and looked? People expressed their prefrences for the posts to stop. I know my response was several posts along the lines of "I don't see what's so hard about scrolling past". I'm fairly certain I wasn't alone in those sentiments.


Scrappy - Apr 01, 2004 7:46:24 pm PST #8998 of 10005
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Thaks, Jen! And we miss you.


Frankenbuddha - Apr 01, 2004 7:50:01 pm PST #8999 of 10005
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

As usual, what Scrappy said.

Even though she's Robin now.


Sean K - Apr 01, 2004 7:54:51 pm PST #9000 of 10005
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Not enough "What Scrappy Said" t-shirts in the world...


Burrell - Apr 01, 2004 7:56:03 pm PST #9001 of 10005
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Jen!