You can't legislate the humanity away. You can just urge people to remember just because it looks like ethernet packets when it hits your computer doesn't mean it didn't start out organic. With brain chemistry.

If you want social capital to disappear, you need to start outside this narrow hall.

Very well said, ita. Thank you.

No one has to tiptoe around the Jen K/Allyson kerfuffle. Time has passed, I think I can discuss my personal responsibility on that without heat.

I'm not in every thread, but I can't think of a single personal attack being posted by anyone, new, old, popular or un, in recent memory.

I'd say I've seen two in the last two days.

No, I will not name the examples, since YPAMV, but since you asked, Jess, I'll answer the question.

We could easily have lost more people.

We probably did.

And were they dealt with in-thread? Did anyone ask for a warning to be issued?

Why are we discussing this in such vague terms if there are specific incidents that should be addressed?

[edited to clarify: I feel like there are two groups of people in this conversation. There are people who know what's being discussed, and people who don't. And if the people in the first group aren't willing to let the rest of us in on what's really going on, then perhaps it should be dealt with in backchannel. The vague accusations are helping no one.]

We probably did.

How is it possible that we lost more people than we did? What evidence do you have to support your probably?

Jess, yes the ones I'm thinking of were dealt with in thread.

And, I wasn't discussing them at all. As I thought I made clear, I was simply answering your question.

Yeah, there's been exchanges. But there was also the MinearEyes kid who took a spectacular swan dive into the guacamole, and I tried my damned hardest to hose that kid down.

Sometimes, it doesn't work. He didn't fit. Came from a board culture that's on the opposite end of our spectrum, and wasn't willing to budge. If he had stayed, he would have poured the salsa on his head and wiped his ass with the tortilla chips before lighting the house on fire.

Kindness wouldn't have changed that.

And, I wasn't discussing them at all. As I thought I made clear, I was simply answering your question.

I'm just trying to figure out what's driving this conversation. It feels like more than just our annual spring cleaning, for some reason.

It is my opinion:

If you think someone broke community standards by a post, whether or not that post was directed AT YOU, either call them on it in thread and follow the procedures we voted on and passed, OR LET IT GO.

And if the behaviour was months ago and procudure was not followed then, and you think it should have been, well, follow it next time.

If you want an apology from someone for something, ask for it, you may be disappointed and not get it.