Oh my God.
It's The Yoko Factor.
Jesus Fucking Christ.
Niska: Mr. Reynolds? You died, Mr. Reynolds. Mal: Seemed like the thing to do.
'War Stories'
Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer
A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.
Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych
Steph L. - Mar 31, 2004 7:36:26 am PST #8537 of 10005
I look more rad than Lutheranism
billytea - Mar 31, 2004 7:37:53 am PST #8538 of 10005
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.
It's The Yoko Factor.
I'm listening to INXS right now and you've still earwormed me with "Dear Yoko". Damn you! DAMN YOUUUU!!!
Dana - Mar 31, 2004 7:38:16 am PST #8539 of 10005
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
Okay, so in the interests of talking about the issue, rather than the personalities, what is it we need to do? Beej's e-mail suggested that she didn't think things were spelled out clearly enough in the FAQ/ettiquette.
Do we need to add stuff to the site ettiquette along the lines of "just about everyone feels ignored at one point or another" and "no one person speaks for the board" and "we value our independence, so anything that smacks of preaching will garner a very bad reaction"?
JZ - Mar 31, 2004 7:38:27 am PST #8540 of 10005
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.
Cindy is still here posting as Xanderella.
Also, IIRC, she pulled back from heavy posting not because of issues with board management or individual posters, but just because it was becoming an unmanageable timesuck for her.
Also, I want to marry Matt's post, and I want all of Nutty's laws and corollaries on a t-shirt.
Scrappy - Mar 31, 2004 7:38:32 am PST #8541 of 10005
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
Teppy, what are you talking about?
Jesse - Mar 31, 2004 7:39:53 am PST #8542 of 10005
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Do we need to add stuff to the site ettiquette along the lines of "just about everyone feels ignored at one point or another" and "no one person speaks for the board" and "we value our independence, so anything that smacks of preaching will garner a very bad reaction"?
Yes, please. In filk.
billytea - Mar 31, 2004 7:40:39 am PST #8543 of 10005
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.
Also, I want to marry Matt's post, and I want all of Nutty's laws and corollaries on a t-shirt.
I've lately developed a hankering for a t-shirt saying "Fetch the Gimp". No good can come of this.
Jesse - Mar 31, 2004 7:40:49 am PST #8544 of 10005
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
PS: Steph, I don't even know what you're talking about, but it seems snotty.
P.M. Marc - Mar 31, 2004 7:41:19 am PST #8545 of 10005
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Actually, it's not that I saw a specific person being pissy as the problem, but rather repeated incidences of pissyness becoming more accepted, and hurting more people - newbs and long termers alike. Naming names of past problems didn't seem like a positive thing, but rather asking for a slight refocussing on issues/tone/approach that at one time was the norm here - friendlyness - seemed like the way to go. Perhaps I did that poorly.
Well, yeah. *g*
Coulda saved a million posts and a lot of hard feelings if you'd worded it that way in the first place, even if the perception of "the norm" is probably slightly shaded by nostalgia. What it ended up feeling like was that people you knew and cared about were feeling slighted and put-upon by a couple of people, and you were there to issue the holy smackdown from on high.
WRT the increase in brittle behaviour, I don't know that there is a solution. The combination of the political reality of right now, the economic reality of right now, and the increased size of the board means that comfortable's not a place we can easily get to.
Anne W. - Mar 31, 2004 7:42:06 am PST #8546 of 10005
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
I really hope the people who think the board as a whole is getting snotty will call people on it, when specific things are said.
(italics mine)
Yes. This. Otherwise, I think people will continue to get defensive, which only breeds rudeness, snippiness, misunderstandings, etc.
It is not always easy for some people (me included) to speak up. If you choose not to speak up, be it on the board or in backchannel, then people won't know your opinion on a matter, and there's a chance that some people will think that silence equals consent.