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'Serenity'


Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

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Scrappy - Mar 30, 2004 11:06:17 am PST #8109 of 10005
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I wasn't insulted either. I may not agree with everything Rafmun said, but saying it feels TO HIM as if there is a vocal minority driving the direction of the board is a valid question to look into. I am a bit sad that almost no one responded to his (or Hec's or Trudy's) posts by saying "IS there?" "Am I possibly making people feel disenfranchised?" "Is there a way to make the amazingly cool doscourse on this board even MORE cool?" "How can I understand these folks who feel so differently from me better?" but instead went right to defensiveness.

I'm not one of those peeps who hates conflict. I like it and I'm gabby. Because of that, I know I have run roughshod over others in the past and thereby missed out and what they could teach me. I still do on occaision, but I'm aware of it and trying to deal as fairly and openly as possible with people, even those who for some inexplicable reason do not think, feel, or react the way I do. It's not easy (for me, at least--I think it's easier for many sweeter-by-nature people here on this board) but it's worth it.


Miracleman - Mar 30, 2004 11:06:34 am PST #8110 of 10005
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

someone else may not want to say "Jilli, I think you're crazy and need to stop having your stuffed bunny post"

What does the one have to do with the other, unless...

*gasp*

...are you saying clovis isn't real?

I don't know whether to cry or move my troops south to take New Zealand.


msbelle - Mar 30, 2004 11:08:52 am PST #8111 of 10005
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I haven't been insulted yet today and that might be a miracle.

and disagreement absolutely positively does not equal discounting.


Atropa - Mar 30, 2004 11:09:48 am PST #8112 of 10005
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

t tangent

...are you saying clovis isn't real?

We have photos of you with him. You know damn well he's real.

I don't know whether to cry or move my troops south to take New Zealand.

Just you try it, bucko.

t /tangent


Consuela - Mar 30, 2004 11:10:45 am PST #8113 of 10005
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I may not agree with everything Rafmun said, but saying it feels TO HIM as if there is a vocal minority driving the direction of the board is a valid question to look into.

As usual, Scrappy is wise.

But my earlier point stands. What do we DO about that? The board is built on discussion, which means talky people will be more visible in the process than less-talky people. But we also have voting procedures in place so that big decisions don't get made by bullshit consensus and so the less-talky people don't get left out of the process entirely.

Do we implement voting for small decisions too? Rather than that, I'd follow the Allyson school of thought and rather have the Stompies make the decisions. But I know that's not going to happen either.


Wolfram - Mar 30, 2004 11:11:23 am PST #8114 of 10005
Visilurking

Aww, hon. You *know* the lurkers gots your back.

That's what I keep saying. All 400 of them.

I haven't been insulted yet today and that might be a miracle.

Well you're a...you're just a...that's because you're momma's a....

I got nothing.


flea - Mar 30, 2004 11:13:28 am PST #8115 of 10005
information libertarian

I really need to buy one of msbelle's What Scrappy Said t-shirts.


Jesse - Mar 30, 2004 11:15:11 am PST #8116 of 10005
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I'm really glad Robin and Consuela are getting in on this.


juliana - Mar 30, 2004 11:18:06 am PST #8117 of 10005
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

I'm really glad Robin and Consuela are getting in on this.

Me, too.


Consuela - Mar 30, 2004 11:21:05 am PST #8118 of 10005
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Thanks, Jesse. It seems to me from a very quick read that there are just a few questions here.

1. Is there a problem with people being shouted down?

2. Is the problem such that we should take action?

3. If the answers to 1 and 2 are "yes", what action can reasonably be taken?

4. Would the answer to 3 leave us in a better place than the current situation?

Because if we come up with a solution that ends up with 40% of the active posters leaving the board in disgust, I'm willing to stay with what we got. I can't read people's minds, and I'm willing to live with a certain amount of disgruntlement as the price for a vibrant, active community.