edit: good point, David.
Now, this would be the perfect time for a swear word.
Kaylee ,'Jaynestown'
Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer
A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.
Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych
juliana - Mar 30, 2004 10:10:48 am PST #8056 of 10005
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…
Glamcookie - Mar 30, 2004 10:11:03 am PST #8057 of 10005
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister
If Gloomcookie doesn't think it's inappropriate enough to warrant disciplinary action then that (to me) defines it as a minor infraction. Which is, exactly how I would've described it.
I never said that and I would describe it as insulting and offensive (and I'm not even talking about the name thing - it was the fairly clear implication that my family and I are not intelligent that pushed it over the line for me). What I said was that I'm not up for debating it to death and for (I'm sure) getting pissed all over again. I'm done with it and wishing we had an ENUF filter.
msbelle - Mar 30, 2004 10:11:04 am PST #8058 of 10005
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb
FTR, the proposals about how to warn, what happens when warned and so forth, is here: msbelle "Sunnydale Press" Apr 19, 2003 12:02:50 am PDT
I was unable to find that info in the etiquette, FAQ, or How-to. It should be somewhere.
And
What I said was that I'm not up for debating it to death
specifically when you have tried to talk it out in thread and move something here, it doesn't have to be you debating so much as people either supporting it or not. If 10 people do then there is a warning. Period. That's It.
Trudy Booth - Mar 30, 2004 10:12:42 am PST #8059 of 10005
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
You can talk all you want about being conflict avoidy and stressed out by these talks...
Hey, people are coming forward and saying "X makes me uncomfortable". I think we can listen and try to respond out of, you know, the goodness of our hearts and the wish for widespread happiness.
Seriously. Why SHOULD they be stressed to tears to be heard when we are perfectly intelligent people capable of taking others wishes into account even if they DON'T post them loudly and repeatedly?
Allyson - Mar 30, 2004 10:18:20 am PST #8060 of 10005
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
But Trudy, just because it was harder for someone to say something, doesn't mean that their words weigh more.
Any more than I believe that lots of words by someone who says them easily weighs more.
Scrappy can make one post in an ocean of posts, and I'll see it, and take it into consideration, and it will affect me and change the way I feel.
Just because someone feels drowned, doesn't mean that they are. Sometimes mouthy people pick up the gauntlet for the unmouthy.
You do it all the time.
DavidS - Mar 30, 2004 10:18:24 am PST #8061 of 10005
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Why SHOULD they be stressed to tears to be heard when we are perfectly intelligent people capable of taking others wishes into account even if they DON'T post them loudly and repeatedly?
Sophia chose to deal with the stress because it mattered to her. What I don't get is your insistence that we aren't taking people's wishes into account. What exactly do you think should be done? If people (a) aren't willing to discuss the issue or (b) bring it to a vote, how exactly are we supposed to know what the wishes are? Elena could have very easily posted Deathmatch notices at the beginning of a new character bracket (as Ple suggests) and that would've been a compromise rather than a capitulation. It would've cut the notices down in volume without eliminating them. Right down the middle. In fact, I wish she'd do that.
Jesse - Mar 30, 2004 10:20:54 am PST #8062 of 10005
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Just as an amusing sidenote interjected: I just re-read the thing in the FAQ about Hec and Knut, and Dana TOTALLY imposed her will on others! Kinda. She didn't get to pick their new names, as it turned out, but she sure tried.
Steph L. - Mar 30, 2004 10:21:28 am PST #8063 of 10005
I look more rad than Lutheranism
That could be why Knut left....
DavidS - Mar 30, 2004 10:22:43 am PST #8064 of 10005
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
and Dana TOTALLY imposed her will on others!
She's so bossy. But note how readily Knut and I compromised for the good of the board. David Rothschild, however stuck to his name, that cantankerous bastard.
Rafmun - Mar 30, 2004 10:22:47 am PST #8065 of 10005
I'm made of felt and my....hey, who's hand is that?
You can talk all you want about being conflict avoidy and stressed out by these talks...
Yet when a poster comes forward and explains that there is a problem in their opinion, a few others do backflips to try to demonstrate that no problem exists. Then when a few others agree that the problem exists for them too, specific examples and names are demanded. When provided, these examples are dismissed as not being good examples, but if they are, then damn-it, the people involved are going to defend their actions. Then it is suggested that solutions are already in place to solve the problems that some still maintain don't exist, and hey - if the solutions don't work for you, tough?
Well, to be fair, the thread is called bureaucracy. =)
But such responses could be one of the reasons why the avoidy-stressed out types kinda get avoidy in the first place.