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For the record, even this discussion isn't driving me crazy. I understand the point of view from the people who brought up things they've noticed and wanted to bring to the board's attention--which is why I think this thread is a good thing.

And I think people are agreeing and disagreeing according to their own comfort levels.

I do admire Beverly for expressing her opinion when it's obviously causing her distress. But while I do feel badly for people who, for whatever reason feel they can't or won't speak up for their opinion, I don't feel like that makes me more aggressive or obnoxious for being willing to post mine.

Although, I could be wrong.

First of all, we HAVE A PROCEDURE to address inappropriate posts. If someone feels that a post is offensive, insulting, or otherwise in bad form, they are to address the poster in the thread directly and ask them to stop. If they do not stop, they should be told that the discussion is moving to Bureaucracy and they should be recommended for a warning.

I am REALLY uncomfortable bringing up instances after that fact that did NOT go through this procedure.

I withdraw as being insulted in one thread is enough for me. Should I delete my previous posts?

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We have a clearly defined method for handling offensive posters. If someone thinks it's time to use it, you should say so.

Please don't delete, Gloomcookie. But we really did go through all the sturm und drang of setting up these procedures to avoid people being upset and not knowing how to deal with it.

did I insult?

Just to be clear, I am for warning offensive posters.

Thanks Jess but I'd rather not go through it.

ETA: You did not insult, msbelle. I'm just not up for a go round on the issue is all. I'ma take a break instead.

I hesitate to mention another topic, but it's come up more than once now- what has happened to Bitches? Not to single out Plei, but how has the community there changed so that you no longer feel comfortable? If posters who have been vocal and active (and there are a few, I think) leave a thread for a reason besides just not having enough time, I feel that should be addressed. It's clear something has changed. A few months ago, Bitches was catching up to Natter in sheer number of posts. Now, midway through the day for everyone, I find there have only been around 50 since last night.

I've never watched Angel, or any of the genre shows, or written fanfic. Bitches and Natter have become this community for me. I've been lurking since TT, and most of you probably don't know me, which is my own fault. For some reason, I just have a hard time posting, although I have leaned on the board a bit lately. Also, I was in college and working full time- as of two weeks ago, I'm not doing either of those things anymore. I hoped to become a more active member of the board now that I'm not constantly going to be a few hundred posts behind. Now I'm finding that people whose thoughts and stories have become a part of my daily life aren't comfortable in Bitches anymore, and I see the number of posts plummeting, and it makes me really sad. I know you're not all here for my own enjoyment, obviously, but I wish there could be some explanation, and maybe it could be addressed. I want it to be the way it used to be.

First of all, we HAVE A PROCEDURE to address inappropriate posts.

Gotta say I'm with msbelle and Jesse on this.

You can talk all you want about being conflict avoidy and stressed out by these talks, but it just makes me think about Sophia coming in here day after day during the voting procedure debates, trying to hammer it out even though it was making her cry almost every day. And she did it because she cared enough about the board to want to ensure its future.

If you can't be arsed to use the methods that people worked so hard to institute, then it's on you.

If Gloomcookie doesn't think it's inappropriate enough to warrant disciplinary action then that (to me) defines it as a minor infraction.

Which is, exactly how I would've described it. I mean, I saw the discussion heading that way and I felt like waving my hands in the air, "Wait! People take their baby names more seriously than job security! Don't!" But it didn't seem like an ad hominem attack.