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Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


Rafmun - Mar 30, 2004 9:23:23 am PST #8011 of 10005
I'm made of felt and my....hey, who's hand is that?

It doesn't make tham amy less worthy members of the board, or their concerns any less valuable, just because they're not brawlers. I'm one of them. And I'm shaking all over and trying to decide whether or not to hit "post." I do not want to stir a shitstorm, and I don't want to alienate anyone. But I can't help what I feel.

Thank you so much Beverly. Yes, this is one of the instances I had in mind when posting my original perspective.


Lyra Jane - Mar 30, 2004 9:24:42 am PST #8012 of 10005
Up with the sun

I got the impression that if it had been taken to a vote, that there was enough popular support for deathmatch notices to continue in Press.

I agree, and also agree that it would have felt like a really stoopid piece of minutia to vote on.

But I do wish the decision had felt more like a compromise and less like Elena throwing up her hands and making a change she didn't want to make.


juliana - Mar 30, 2004 9:25:18 am PST #8013 of 10005
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

amych speaks for me, but this:

Thanks, Beverly, for having the courage to post.

deserves to be repeated. Also, thank you to Megan and Lyra Jane and msbelle and Sue, and everyone else who has stated that they do not like arguing but would like to define their positions.


Trudy Booth - Mar 30, 2004 9:26:17 am PST #8014 of 10005
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

However, I'm glad it didn't go to a vote because I don't like micromanaging the board's functions.

Neither does Elena, which is why she didn't bother.

After the initial dust-up/concensus that it was fine she went on vacation for two weeks. When she came back she posted announcements again and there was another dust-up in spite of that concensus. So she gave up.


msbelle - Mar 30, 2004 9:27:43 am PST #8015 of 10005
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Beverly thanks for posting. It may not be easy for you, but I think it is good for the board.

WRT to Jesse's post. I relate to her ability to see that a slight modification on her part made the whole issue a not big deal. I honestly saw Elena's decision to move the announcements to teh QUotables thread as teh same type of thing. I was more than a little confused about why people were so bothered by the announcements in the first place.


Beverly - Mar 30, 2004 9:28:01 am PST #8016 of 10005
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

we'd still have a separate Due South thread. And probably still have Spoilers Lite. And all threads would talk about Batman all the time. And I'd still feel comfortable in Bitches, or still hang in the fic thread.

I'm for any and all of those. Some a little more than others.

Took a walk around the block. Have (almost) stopped shaking. Thanks for not deactivating my login. Kidding. Mostly.

I have no interest in debating the deathmatch thing, it's over and done. I just needed to say that not all of us are built for the fray. Not Fray. You know.

More coffee. Stat.


Trudy Booth - Mar 30, 2004 9:29:27 am PST #8017 of 10005
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

t smooches beverly

I was more than a little confused about why people were so bothered by the announcements in the first place.

I think that is a very common feeling.


Jon B. - Mar 30, 2004 9:30:08 am PST #8018 of 10005
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Honestly, I got the impression that if it had been taken to a vote, that there was enough popular support for deathmatch notices to continue in Press.

However, I'm glad it didn't go to a vote because I don't like micromanaging the board's functions.

I agree completely, but isn't that the point of Rafmun's comments? That a few more vocal citizens overpowered a majority of others because the others were tired of the complaints? I think it depends on what you think is best for the board. If the majority should always rule, then something is wrong. If it's what the greatest number of people can live with, then it's working fine. I think the danger is that if the conflict-avoidy types keep "losing", they'll eventually leave and the board will be the poorer for it.


Wolfram - Mar 30, 2004 9:31:47 am PST #8019 of 10005
Visilurking

But I do wish the decision had felt more like a compromise and less like Elena throwing up her hands and making a change she didn't want to make.

I think Elena did what she felt pressured to do with graciousness and diplomacy. I kind of wish she had merely limited her posts to once a day, like a lot of people seemed to favor, or continued as it was. I'm glad Steph posted and Plei posted and Elena posted and Hec posted and everyone else posted because this is what fosters communication. I did not get the impression that anyone was forced to do anything. But the only person who can truly answer that is Elena.


Lyra Jane - Mar 30, 2004 9:32:28 am PST #8020 of 10005
Up with the sun

juliana, thanks for mentioning me, but as I am of the "argue about whether the sky is blue or not" persuasion I think you were thinking of someone else.