I've been reading with interest over the past 3 days about Press.

Before I start, I would like to flatly state that I, for one, am very appreciative that Elena was flexible about moving DM notices to the Deathmatch thread. I know she didn't want to and I appreciate her ability to do something she didn't want to do to assauge other members.

I don't have any issue with 99% of what happens in Press. I am not a fan of political announcements one way or the other, but I know others aren't keen on them and so when I see them, I cringe. But I also skim it.

I don't have a problem with anyone saying, "Hey! Wanna get together here! or wanna do this if you are in the area?" in Press because that's sort of how I remember it being intended. And even if I can't go, I don't mind reading about people planning things. I also don't know and can't tell, but I don't think anyone else has issues with these kinds of posts.

The reason I found DM notices bothersome is because of the frequency with which they happened. They happened whenever a DM was going on. When Elena restarted them or when she was gone for two weeks and then came back to start again? Those made perfect sense to me because there had been a significant break in time. The ones that were made from dayish-to-dayish just seemed redunandant and irksome because Press is the one place I make time to read everytime I read the board.

However, I didn't care enough to bring it up or make an issue out of it. I figured I'm canterkous, cranky and it was my ish. But the thing is, it wasn't just my issue. It's other people's issue too. So when someone did say, "I prefer we not do this" I totally agreed.

So maybe it comes back to this. If X number of people do have an issue with any specific thing posted in Press, maybe we should talk about it and, for the sake of monkey grooming, whoever is doing the posting should consider not doing it. In much the same way we deal with people who are not fitting into board culture (X number of people have to ask for something to be done), we could deal with cessation of certain types of posts.

So maybe it comes back to this. If X number of people do have an issue with any specific thing posted in Press, maybe we should talk about it and, for the sake of monkey grooming, whoever is doing the posting should consider not doing it. In much the same way we deal with people who are not fitting into board culture (X number of people have to ask for something to be done), we could deal with cessation of certain types of posts.

This seems fair, and goes back to the consensus culture we've always had. One thing that's clear is that Press doesn't have one use within the culture. Different people use it differently. For some people Press is the only way they can keep up with the community. For other people, it's simply another thread that they're plowing through, and the traffic in Press isn't that high.

I don't think Heather's recent post (to use that as an example) is problematic. I think it's a useful example because it's not obviously of broad interest to the board's realm of interest, or to a large population of the board. But it's better than spamming the threads with it, and there may be lurkers in the Austin area who would be interested. I think there's too much skipping and skimming in Natter to effectively make announcements there.

Re: Firefly 5750, I really think that needs deletion, as I highlighted it thinking it was a Nilly-hasn't-seen-this-yet spoiler.

EDIT: 20 seconds behind. That's me. Thanks.

I think it's a useful example because it's not obviously of broad interest to the board's realm of interest, or to a large population of the board. But it's better than spamming the threads with it, and there may be lurkers in the Austin area who would be interested. I think there's too much skipping and skimming in Natter to effectively make announcements there.

Yeah. The not of general interest is what worried me. would post more, but keyboard's screwed.

Of course, to go totally flamebaity, I'm really anti-political posts in there, period, full stop, end of story, bang. Joss or DX could be running for president, and I'd be uncomfortable with it.

With Plei on this thing. Excepting DX having a Town Hall meeting in LA to discuss his campaign, because then we could all go out to dinner after. Wheeeeee!!!!

So maybe it comes back to this. If X number of people do have an issue with any specific thing posted in Press, maybe we should talk about it and, for the sake of monkey grooming, whoever is doing the posting should consider not doing it.

This seems fair, and goes back to the consensus culture we've always had.

I agree. I'd add that if Y number of people don't have an issue with or even (actually, I don't think no opinion is all that relative, so I took it out) support a certain post/type of post, that should be taken into consideration WRT monkey grooming, too (because if the posts they like stop, then suddenly they're the ones with the issue). I guess I just get back to ... when can we say something has been decided, and what values are X and Y?

because then we could all go out to dinner after. Wheeeeee!!!!

Oooh, can I have a brunch too?

Oooh, can I have a brunch too?

Only if you announce it in Press.

You want a rationale for an*opinion*? For my personal preference?

No, I may have phrased badly, but I wanted to see reasons that were other then "kinda inconvenient" which was bad shorthand for personal prefrence. Which is all I thought I'd been seeing (my opinion), although Shawn did subsequently put out a good argurment for limitations on what goes in press.

I'm still not sure any of this applies to the Death Match announcements, since they have been described as useful to a percentage of the population of the Buffistas.

I'm still not sure any of this applies to the Death Match announcements, since they have been described as useful to a percentage of the population of the Buffistas.

Ostensibly, all posts are useful to a percentage of the population of the Buffistas. How much of a percentage is the question.

It might be useful to for me to post in Press: "HEY! We're discussing freshwater fish in Natter right now." And then later I might come back and say, "HEY! We're discussin what we bought at Target today in Natter right now!"

At least one Buffista (which is a percentage) might find it useful.