You got all kinds of learnin' and you made me look the fool without tryin', and yet here I am with a gun to your head. That's 'cause I got people with me. People who trust each other, who do for each other, and ain't always lookin' for the advantage.

Mal ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


Daisy Jane - Mar 21, 2004 1:49:30 pm PST #7627 of 10005
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I think it's a useful example because it's not obviously of broad interest to the board's realm of interest, or to a large population of the board. But it's better than spamming the threads with it, and there may be lurkers in the Austin area who would be interested. I think there's too much skipping and skimming in Natter to effectively make announcements there.

Yeah. The not of general interest is what worried me. would post more, but keyboard's screwed.


Allyson - Mar 21, 2004 2:22:49 pm PST #7628 of 10005
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Of course, to go totally flamebaity, I'm really anti-political posts in there, period, full stop, end of story, bang. Joss or DX could be running for president, and I'd be uncomfortable with it.

With Plei on this thing. Excepting DX having a Town Hall meeting in LA to discuss his campaign, because then we could all go out to dinner after. Wheeeeee!!!!


JenP - Mar 21, 2004 2:24:20 pm PST #7629 of 10005

So maybe it comes back to this. If X number of people do have an issue with any specific thing posted in Press, maybe we should talk about it and, for the sake of monkey grooming, whoever is doing the posting should consider not doing it.

This seems fair, and goes back to the consensus culture we've always had.

I agree. I'd add that if Y number of people don't have an issue with or even (actually, I don't think no opinion is all that relative, so I took it out) support a certain post/type of post, that should be taken into consideration WRT monkey grooming, too (because if the posts they like stop, then suddenly they're the ones with the issue). I guess I just get back to ... when can we say something has been decided, and what values are X and Y?


Lee - Mar 21, 2004 2:25:21 pm PST #7630 of 10005
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

because then we could all go out to dinner after. Wheeeeee!!!!

Oooh, can I have a brunch too?


JenP - Mar 21, 2004 2:26:11 pm PST #7631 of 10005

Oooh, can I have a brunch too?

Only if you announce it in Press.


Frankenbuddha - Mar 21, 2004 3:00:17 pm PST #7632 of 10005
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

You want a rationale for an*opinion*? For my personal preference?

No, I may have phrased badly, but I wanted to see reasons that were other then "kinda inconvenient" which was bad shorthand for personal prefrence. Which is all I thought I'd been seeing (my opinion), although Shawn did subsequently put out a good argurment for limitations on what goes in press.

I'm still not sure any of this applies to the Death Match announcements, since they have been described as useful to a percentage of the population of the Buffistas.


Kat - Mar 21, 2004 4:56:51 pm PST #7633 of 10005
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I'm still not sure any of this applies to the Death Match announcements, since they have been described as useful to a percentage of the population of the Buffistas.

Ostensibly, all posts are useful to a percentage of the population of the Buffistas. How much of a percentage is the question.

It might be useful to for me to post in Press: "HEY! We're discussing freshwater fish in Natter right now." And then later I might come back and say, "HEY! We're discussin what we bought at Target today in Natter right now!"

At least one Buffista (which is a percentage) might find it useful.


Pix - Mar 21, 2004 4:59:52 pm PST #7634 of 10005
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

I will delurk in this thread (that I have been watching but carefully not participating in since I haven't been around long enough to have any really useful input for) to say that I don't think it really gets Press-worthy until the freshwater fish has something to contribute to the conversation.

/Doblerizing attempt at humor


JenP - Mar 21, 2004 5:45:11 pm PST #7635 of 10005

Ostensibly, all posts are useful to a percentage of the population of the Buffistas. How much of a percentage is the question.

Right. For purposes of discussion -- with DM notices, I think there were about 6 people registering a concern/irritation, 8 finding them useful and wanting them to stay, and about 12 being neutral on whether they were necessary, but not being bothered by them. This is just from memory of a quick and dirty scan of posts I did out of curiosity during the first and second round of discussions - there's a +/- for error/interpretation there, for sure, and it doesn't include new opinions from this third round. But, for purposes of discussion in terms of the X percentage factor that Kat brought up, how should those numbers speak to deciding an issue?

KristentT: Heh.

/Appreciating humor (actually, this tag never closes)


Glamcookie - Mar 21, 2004 6:44:43 pm PST #7636 of 10005
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

I never participate in this thread but I feel like I have to weigh in on one thing here...

Of course, to go totally flamebaity, I'm really anti-political posts in there, period, full stop, end of story, bang.

This makes me very uncomfortable. Again to go flamebaity, it feels a little like censorship to me. No other thread has this rule. With the current political climate, I think it's totally acceptable to post topics of this nature in Press when applicable.

For example, I asked Steph to post a link in Press to the ACLU Web site regarding supporting same sex marriage. This is an important issue to me (and I know to many on this board). I was happy to see that Steph posted this link in Bitches and felt that it was something many on the board might like to see, not just Bitches. I appreciate seeing this sort of thing when I'm upset about a political issue and feel hopeless. It gives me a sense of being able to do something about it.

t /justonegaygirl'sopinion