Buffy. When I saw you stop the world from, you know, ending, I just assumed that was a big week for you. Turns out I suddenly find myself needing to know the plural of 'apocalypse.'

Riley ,'Potential'


Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


§ ita § - Dec 06, 2003 2:22:01 pm PST #6148 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Let me remove laughable, since that's conflating the reaction to his tone with the reaction to his content.

The tone didn't bother me at all -- however, the brushing off of the content suprised me, given the diligence taken to whitefont Survivor, etc.

It's not a new and culture changing idea, yet brushed off so summarily.


Jon B. - Dec 06, 2003 2:39:39 pm PST #6149 of 10005
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

In my world, Saying "oh please" or "give me a break" could easily be interpreted as ridicule. It all depends on the tone of voice, which is of course lost in written posts.

Also this:

Of course, this is still a much larger number than 21 or 25 (out of 22 or 26), so the justification for your rudeness is still secure.

I thought was Robert saying he agreed with you, and he was backing down a bit.


Cindy - Dec 06, 2003 3:03:02 pm PST #6150 of 10005
Nobody

In my world, Saying "oh please" or "give me a break" could easily be interpreted as ridicule. It all depends on the tone of voice, which is of course lost in written posts.

And so wouldn't it be nice to ask for clarification, rather than go off on a tirade about a 3 sentence post? I don't even think I meant the "oh please" to rise to the level of "give me a break." It was whining pleading to avoid this sort of discussion. Obviously, that's a futile request. Ridicule never crossed my mind.

I thought was Robert saying he agreed with you, and he was backing down a bit.

That was to Teppy, so I can't speak for her, but when I see someone write "justification for your rudeness," it seems way more like a passive aggressive dig than it sounds like backing down.

The tone didn't bother me at all -- however, the brushing off of the content suprised me, given the diligence taken to whitefont Survivor, etc.

If he'd made a to white font it, or discuss spoiler font, don't you think it would be different? To tell you my opinion (which I'm not sure I would have offered, because I don't post about the reality game shows--TAR, Survivor, any of them) -- things like TAR, Survivor, etc., have a plot and a continuing plotline and seem to warrant spoiler font. jengod's Jeopardy appearance is a whole different animal. I respect that Robert likes the suspense. To me, jengod's right to share her experience (true for me, for any Buffista who gets on a quiz show) trumps that. I respect that people disagree. I don't respect the slander campaign that came along with it.

Somehow, it's worse to say, please let's not get into this, she has a right to post about her experience, than it is to call people incredibly rude and then accuse them of ridiculing? That's nice to know. (Yes, that was meant to sound bitchy and sarcastic. I can't believe the URL in my address bar, right now.)


§ ita § - Dec 06, 2003 3:08:23 pm PST #6151 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Somehow, it's worse to say, please let's not get into this, she has a right to post about her experience, than it is to call people incredibly rude and then accuse them of ridiculing? That's nice to know.

I'm really confused now. Who are you talking to?

I said the former, and nothing about the latter. Who has launched the slander campaign you're bristling at?


Jon B. - Dec 06, 2003 3:55:24 pm PST #6152 of 10005
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

And so wouldn't it be nice to ask for clarification, rather than go off on a tirade about a 3 sentence post?

One could say the same about your post. Originally, all Robert did was sigh. He didn't ask for any action. I think you're making a big deal over nothing.


Michele T. - Dec 06, 2003 4:49:53 pm PST #6153 of 10005
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

Yeah, it sounds like a few deep breaths and a stepping away from the situation for a bit would do everyone a world of good.


Connie Neil - Dec 06, 2003 7:32:54 pm PST #6154 of 10005
brillig

Tim spoils us about Angel?

Yes, we're all terribly spoiled, because he gives us a lovely show and occasionally shows up so we may fawn over him.


RobertH - Dec 06, 2003 9:03:04 pm PST #6155 of 10005
Disaffected college student

Yes. Stepping away firmly. One thing in the mea culpa camp that I do want to note:

it [the "justification" comment] seems way more like a passive aggressive dig than it sounds like backing down

It was indeed a dig, and it was uncalled for. I feel foolish reading it now. My apologies for that, Steph.

And my apologies to everyone for dragging out for so long a minor gripe regarding (what I do occasionally manage to recognize as) just a friggin' game show.


Lyra Jane - Dec 07, 2003 10:18:23 am PST #6156 of 10005
Up with the sun

I'm in favor of deep breaths for all involved.

And I guess I can see the rationale behind asking that specifics of game show appearances be whitefonted, even though I personally don't care because a)I don't watch Jeopardy regularly and b)by the time the episode airs in March, I'll have forgotten when Jen posted about it anyhow.

And congratulations to Jen -- it sounds like a great experience.


Cindy - Dec 07, 2003 12:51:56 pm PST #6157 of 10005
Nobody

And I guess I can see the rationale behind asking that specifics of game show appearances be whitefonted, even though I personally don't care

I can too. He wasn't asking for that. He was expressing displeasure at being spoiled. I asked that we not start a thing over it. Apparently those are the magic words for starting a thing. Apparently "Oh no, please let's not" is incredibly rude ridicule that causes people to be left "utterly bewildered" and causes many other people to see it the same way. Whereas objecting to being called "incredibly rude" and objecting to being accused of "ridicule" is:

I think you're making a big deal over nothing.

I'm from a completely different planet, and suddenly grateful for that.