What 'suela said.

As for this:

But that then takes us back to the discussion nobody wants to have, which is who are we and where are we going.

We should open a thread to discuss this and call it "Where do we go from here?"

runs away, serpentine!

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'suela, thank you for the sense-making. Ken, thanks for the earworm.

I also want to go on record that I'm really unhappy about the loss of spoilage lite. Spoilage lite was a great place for us spoilage non-virgins to flirt, make-out, get a little casting spoiler action and still respect ourselves in the morning. Now there's really no thread for us to do that (and just because I enjoy a bit of spoilage nookie now and then, doesn't mean I'm ready to ho' myself in the hard core thread.)

I am not proposing that the vote was invalid or unfair in any way. The will of the community was to close the thread and so be it.

I agree with Daniel that we may want to limit the questions on the ballot. And truthfully, I got so wrapped up in defending the need for the Previously thread, I completely overlooked the fact that Spoilage Lite was on the chopping block as well, and I should have defended that thread too. I can only blame myself for not reading it carefully, because the issue was plainly out there.

Not trying to stir things up between the virgins and hos again, but the options in my mind seem to be to either have the lite stuff whitefonted so the pure can avoid, or ask a ho. I know that my specific questions have always been promtly answered by someone in the know.

Well, I wasn't in SL to have specific questions answered -- I wanted heads-up on things like reported casting spoilers, episode titles, writers getting assigned to things and the like. And given that we had to have a VOTE to mention the Big Casting Spoiler on Angel in the Angel thread, even in whitefont, despite the fact that the WB was already doing *publicity* for it, suggests that whitefont discussion of Spoilage Lite topics won't play well during the season either.

I'm not trying to overturn the vote, here -- I'm just saying that I'm willing to bet this causes more trouble than it solves.

And given that we had to have a VOTE to mention the Big Casting Spoiler on Angel in the Angel thread, even in whitefont, despite the fact that the WB was already doing *publicity* for it

Jesus, you got what you wanted, quit bitching, ok?

We have a procedure, we followed the procedure, the majority ruled. Sometimes an individual will like the outcome, sometimes not. It's time to move on.

If I remember correctly, before spoilage lite we could post things like episode titles, writers, etc. in whitefont in the main thread. Will that be the case again? Or am I completely wrong about the pre-lite policy anyhow?

I can't remember why episode titles are spoilery. Or, for that matter, writers.

I can't remember why episode titles are spoilery. Or, for that matter, writers.

Me neither. It's not like ME's in the habit of naming their eps "The One Where Willow Turns Evil And Flays Warren."

We have a procedure, we followed the procedure, the majority ruled. Sometimes an individual will like the outcome, sometimes not. It's time to move on.

I don't see why we aren't allowed to discuss the outcome of a vote without it being labeled as "bitching" or "sniping". I don't see people whining that the vote was unfair or improper or we need a do-over, it's just some of us want to state our feelings so next time these things come up we (as a community) are aware of some of these issues.

Please construe the above as bitchfree and snipeless. :)

I can't remember why episode titles are spoilery. Or, for that matter, writers.

Me neither. It's not like ME's in the habit of naming their eps "The One Where Willow Turns Evil And Flays Warren."

I'm trying to think of a single spoilery title. And I'm coming up blank.

Plus, how is knowing the writer spoilery? Even Tim has written episodes where nobody died.