All I'm saying is that we probably don't have to worry quite so much about using "et al." in a thread title, because a little thread drift won't kill us.

I'm with DX. I think excluding "et al." is being overly cautious. Plus, latin is classy.

It's a cousin of the Fickle Finger Of Fate.

That's Flying Fickle Finger of Fate, to you. And to me too.

As a response to bitterness, I'm going to go all impolitic and pull an Allyson (and I mean that in the best way possible):

Yes, members of the greater community did have a part in deciding in what would happen to your subcommunity. Absolutely. But also, members of your subcommunity (like me with smallville for instance) also voted for it.

But, most importantly, a subcommunity's concerns also should NOT override the health of the greater community. While it might not be an issue right now, with 1000s of one liners in the deathmatch on hold in Elena's absence and with the RQG off, it was an issue when this conversation started.

Moreover, if the subcommunity is sufficiently SUB and COMMUNAL doesn't that mean it could easily survive somewhere else too? If my concern is that my subcommunity of People Who Like Plaid is going to be overrun by the Visigoths, then I can move my subcommunity to PF or WX and still exist. Cause a subcommunity is a neat little self-contained protectable unit - it should be able to survive anywhere irrespective of the greater outer community, right?

Buffistas was definitely a vibrant subcommunity of TT and look at how that has worked out.

That's Flying Fickle Finger of Fate, to you. And to me too.

Ah yes. How could I forget.

Um-- I really don't have time, but could Nutty or Jon please go back and check the results of what a "majority" meant-- because I am not sure whether or not we voted 50% +1 or for a true majority. This would exclude no preference votes either way.

But, most importantly, a subcommunity's concerns also should NOT override the health of the greater community.

Oh, absolutely. I quite agree. And it's not like I'll lose all my SV fandom when/if I leave the SV thread here, or that SV here is the most vibrant section of SV fandom as a whole; most of my mixing with it is on LJ already. I just wanted to air/share/put on record the bitterness.

So that if the thread turned into a gigantic failure, in whatever way, I could say 'told you so'. Not that I'm expecting it to; not that I want it to. But you know. Trying to wring a positive from every situation.

I am not sure whether or not we voted 50% +1 or for a true majority. This would exclude no preference votes either way.

Sophia, without checking 50% + 1 was the definition of "true majority". That "majority" was subject to a special ballot to see if we meant 50% + 1, or if we meant "most votes". 50% + 1 is the defintion that won.

Maybe you're confusing it with higher majority, which was voted down the first time?

I am not sure whether or not we voted 50% +1 or for a true majority.

50% +1 is a true majority, and that's what we voted for.

Here: Jesse "Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer" Aug 27, 2003 10:17:30 am PDT

The two posts that explain it all are these:

Jon B. "Sunnydale Press" Mar 5, 2003 12:00:05 am PST

This was the vote for majority versus plurality for questions where there are more than two choices on the ballot. The outcome of that vote was what Jesse quoted here, but it doesn't really apply, because none of the questions had more than two options. No Preference is not an option, it's just a way of registering no opinion on the matter.

Nilly summarized the way No Preference is handled here:

Nilly "Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer" Aug 27, 2003 10:26:29 am PDT