Right now, we need to vote for the sole purpose of making people feel like they are contributing to their own community, and not left out.

I feel like this is a matter of enfranchisement also. I'm highly willing to take this to a vote, and abide by the results of that vote. If the vote determines that we enact an even higher standard of spoiler avoidance, then I will gladly abide by that because I want what the community as a whole wants.

I will be extraordinarily pissed if the grandfathering clause is used to prevent a vote on this issue. The rules are in place only to serve the community. Using them to stop a vote - that is, find out what the commuity wants - is an assertion of the parliamentary over enfranchisement.

The FAQ is not our constitution and was certainly not subject to even the kind of discussion that created consensus decisions. The FAQ articulated board culture at the time and was understood to be subject to change whenever it was necessary. In short, it changed as the culture changed, it didn't codify the culture. It merely reflected it.

Again, FAQ entries were not consensus decisions that the grandfather clause was created to address.

This is an interesting post from Angel 3 by PMoon. FTR, It was posted on May 17th, and Tim first mentioned that Fred would be in S3 on the thread on May 20th.

Since Tim already confirmed Fred's addition to the cast, what I just whited out really isn't a spoiler anymore. But for people who want proof above Tim's word, check out IMDB's "Angel" page which has the cast list, including Amy Acker now second billed!

I've been suffering under the delusion that once joss mentions something, it's not a spoiler, for if the PTB want us to know, it can be widely known. That seems to be true previously, as above, but the spoiler def. on the ettiquette page says that Joss and Tim interviews go in spoilage lite.

So I created the spoiler policy? Huh. Who knew?

I feel safe saying that I was just summing up the "common law" I'd seen applied on the threads up til then. I wasn't thinking about every possible type of spoiler, or about if Joss was announcing a casting change that got printed on the front page of the New York Times, would that count? It was just a general statement.

So count me in with those who are disturbed that we might not vote on this issue because of a post I made over three years ago.

And for the record: to those who were saying that everyone for the proposal was against using the GFC in this case and vice versa, I'm not sure yet which way I'll vote. I didn't know Angel was coming back in S3 of Buffy, and I'm glad I didn't know. OTOH, he didn't show up until Ep.3 of that season. Do we know for sure that the casting spoilers for Angel 5 will be made clear before Ep 1 airs?

Do we know for sure that the casting spoilers for Angel 5 will be made clear before Ep 1 airs?

We've seen the official posters that are going to be released, so I think it is certain that the media blitz will go into effect before Ep 1 airs.

I can answer that question, Jon, but it would be spoilery ;)

Do we know for sure that the casting spoilers for Angel 5 will be made clear before Ep 1 airs?

Given that one of them was a requirement for renewing the show, and the promo posters they've been circulating as a result (ass-ugly, BTW), I would have to say that additive casting spoilers will, at the very least, be made so clear as to be understood by naked mole rats.

Good point about the official posters. And you're right Sue -- I don't want to be spoiled about that.

Anyway, I didn't want to make a big post about why I'm uncertain about how I'll vote. That belongs in Lightbulbs. I just wanted to make the point that not everyone who's against using the GFC is also for the proposal.

So, to clarify what is messed up in my head, if Joss showed up in the Angel thread and said, "I am SO stoked about Orlando Bloom joining the cast of Angel," would it be deleted, whitefonted, or accepted by all and speculated upon with ruthless passion?

Dude, we'd issue the man a warning.

He's too good for rules? We don't need him.

So, to clarify what is messed up in my head, if Joss showed up in the Angel thread and said, "I am SO stoked about Orlando Bloom joining the cast of Angel," would it be deleted, whitefonted, or accepted by all and speculated upon with ruthless passion?

Didn't Tim kinda do that once? As I recall, he got slathered in whitefont, but there wasn't any warning.