It sounds like this was pretty much decided, but just in case ... I agree that the grandfather clause should not be taken as applying to the entire FAQ, especially parts that (like the spoiler policy) were discussed, written, and implemented by persons unknown at a point in time alone.
I wanna die in bed surrounded by fat grandchildren, but guess that's off the menu.
Jenny ,'Bring On The Night'
Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer
A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.
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Lyra Jane - Jul 27, 2003 9:13:58 am PDT #3487 of 10005
Up with the sun
Allyson - Jul 27, 2003 9:58:31 am PDT #3488 of 10005
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
I truly am very interested in whether Grandfather covers the FAQ. It's disturbing to me if it does. It's a lis of Frequently Asked Questions that cover everything from quick edit, to beagles, to where to send money to support the Phoenix, to how DavidS got his nickname.
If we can't make a change to one part of it because of Grandpappy, then we can't make changes to any of it. If Jesse no longer wants to deal with the donations, and Beth says she'd be happy to take over, well, Jesse is shit out of luck until such a date as when we are allowed to vote.
§ ita § - Jul 27, 2003 10:00:34 am PDT #3489 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Say grandfathering doesn't apply to the FAQ. Does it apply to the rule in the NAFDA thread headers?
I'm still surprised by the idea that persons unknown covertly made this decision and imposed it on the board as a whole. My reflex thought is that if there was no discussion, it was because no one voiced an objection. But it must have come up somewhere ... Buffistas never do anything without yammering, do we?
Typo Boy - Jul 27, 2003 10:07:41 am PDT #3490 of 10005
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Don't think it is a case of covertly, so much as accidentally. That is people get asked to delete or move or whitefont a post because it is spoilery, and they do assuming the person asking knows what they are talking about. And the person asking believes they know what they are talking about, because that is how they interpert the spoiler rule.
§ ita § - Jul 27, 2003 10:10:39 am PDT #3491 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
How does one accidentally change all the NAFDA thread headers, Gar? That's what I don't get.
P.M. Marc - Jul 27, 2003 10:17:44 am PDT #3492 of 10005
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
How does one accidentally change all the NAFDA thread headers, Gar? That's what I don't get.
I know we changed them, or at least I remember it coming up. What I *can't* find are the posts relating to it.
Are thread headers and slugs grandfathered in? Decisions about thread creation, policy, blah, yes, but headers and slugs?
Because, umm, the F2F one should be changed to "we did it twice", as we're post F2F now.
Lyra Jane - Jul 27, 2003 10:18:57 am PDT #3493 of 10005
Up with the sun
My reflex thought is that if there was no discussion, it was because no one voiced an objection. But it must have come up somewhere ... Buffistas never do anything without yammering, do we?
Depends when we made the call.
Also, having written the short etiquette, I can say that sometimes when you're writing a policy document, you go with common practice and what sounds good to you and figure people will change it if it isn't what was needed. It's possible the original FAQ was written by monks who scoured the Sacred Texts of the Buffistae for Divine Knowledge of what our spoiler policy should be, but more likely, they wrote it mid-season, and just didn't think about summer casting changes.
Daisy Jane - Jul 27, 2003 10:20:38 am PDT #3494 of 10005
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."
Because, umm, the F2F one should be changed to "we did it twice", as we're post F2F now.
And, I totally think that next year the slogan should be the "3 times and you still have your soul? We'll go again."
Katie M - Jul 27, 2003 10:24:19 am PDT #3495 of 10005
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
I know we changed them, or at least I remember it coming up. What I *can't* find are the posts relating to it.
It wasn't done when we had the conversation about how to change the FAQ to reflect that cross-topic whitefonting issue from last year, was it? I don't remember changing the slugs at that point, but maybe they were changed too.
Burrell - Jul 27, 2003 10:24:33 am PDT #3496 of 10005
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
I would assume that thread header slugs, etc, would have been discussed at WX. Doesn't that make sense?
Personally, I think that the grandfathering question rests not on "did we or did we not discuss this?" because, after all, the decision to write the FAQ and the slugs was made, regardless. I think we should take them as givens, even if we can't find a sustained discussion of them.
I think the most relevant question is, which set of prior precedents are to be given priority here, the FAQ or the de facto Buffista policy? Because, as has already been pointed out, they are in conflict, and that conflict is the source of much of the present frustration on both sides of the issue. Secondly, if we can't decide which is to be given priority, is voting a fair and reasonable way to decide the matter?