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Qatar! That's just... wow. So cool.

What was interesting to me about the tension in Bureaucracy in May was that I skipped it. I was too busy dealing with stuff in my own life, and I also felt like the things I'd most been invested in had already been set up (like the basic voting).

So from my perspective, it was mostly the kind of friction buildup we've gotten whenever we rub on one issue too hard and too long. The virtue of the PF diaspora was simply that it stopped the talk enough for the raw parts to heal up.

That kind of tension has happened several times before and it's one of the primary reasons we went to voting at all. To stop talking about stuff. Because we wanted to be able to table things.

Nutty-- re tag--

There was a web-site posted, badly translated from Japanese, selling costumes for ones cat.

Are people feeling better, generally, about Bureaucracy, or is the recent silence a "I can't deal with this" silence?

I don't think it's the latter...

Not everybody who was disenchanted by the folderol earlier in the year has returned, but many of us have, and it seems that for many, the disenchantment is not as bad as it once was.

I think most of us are feeling better about bureaucracy, and the process. To hazard a guess, I'd say it's because of our with Hostage Rocket, our forced exile, and our final triumphant return. Like any other crisis or disaster, we've all come out the other side with a renewed perspective, and realized that, despite any doubts we may have had, it seems to be working okay.

I'd agree with Sean on this. It was painful getting through some things. But the break helped.

Also, I felt from the start that the process was going to be very front-loaded. Once we got through the initial matters, there really isn't going to be that much that we need to put through this process. We're over the hump, and enjoying the smoother ride.

80% lurkers is pretty much standard for online communities -- it was the rule of thumb in all the references I saw when I was writing about computer-mediated communication.

I don't post nearly as much because I lost my work access. I barely have time to read even Bitches anymore and hang out primarily in Bitchy Fic, where I can indulge my feedback whorish nature. Before much longer I imagine some people will see my posts in here and go "Who's this wild-eyed egalitarian?" Honestly, some days I don't know who that wild-eyed egalitarian is either.

I think Jess phrased it best by noting that there are folks who have earned their status within the group by their contributions, but this isn't formalized and it's considered a bit rude to insist upon your status. But it doesn't go unacknowledged either. It's a bit of social sleight of hand which both allows that functional status (and celebrates it), while encouraging a fairly level social field for interaction. That seems like a positive to me.

This states my primary point. Yes, there is privilege, yes, it's been earned. Pointing out this fact is just a bit gauche, as in Miss Manners pointing out that socially only medical doctors should use the title Doctor with their names. I guess so that you can find someone life-saving in an emergency, instead of someone who wrote a paper on the sex lives of bacteria or something.

I'm not sure how much longer we can continue to think of ourselves as purely organized on the social level, with interactions defined by social standards. We have a semi-public presence, due to certain Powers That Be dropping in and that fact become known to the fandom at large, and unless we want to isolate ourselves completely (a debate I remember) we're going to have to work with the fact that eventually people will come in here, behave themselves, acquit themselves in all ways as people you want to have conversations with, but who may not quite be friend material. (I know lots of people who I have fascinating discussions with who I wouldn't want to have dinner with or have in my house.)

But I am content with the state of matters as they stand.

the fact that eventually people will come in here, behave themselves, acquit themselves in all ways as people you want to have conversations with, but who may not quite be friend material

That's nothing new, surely?

No, happened all the time for me on TT, back when. Stuff like "Wow, she's smart, but scary."(Not about anyone here.)

True, nothing new, but I've seen statements that seem to say a meritocracy is possibly the best way to handle things because we're all just friends here.

Gee, could I have put any more waffle-words in that?