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Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

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§ ita § - Jul 02, 2003 1:31:11 pm PDT #2830 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

the fact that eventually people will come in here, behave themselves, acquit themselves in all ways as people you want to have conversations with, but who may not quite be friend material

That's nothing new, surely?


erikaj - Jul 02, 2003 1:49:42 pm PDT #2831 of 10005
Always Anti-fascist!

No, happened all the time for me on TT, back when. Stuff like "Wow, she's smart, but scary."(Not about anyone here.)


Connie Neil - Jul 02, 2003 2:01:43 pm PDT #2832 of 10005
brillig

True, nothing new, but I've seen statements that seem to say a meritocracy is possibly the best way to handle things because we're all just friends here.

Gee, could I have put any more waffle-words in that?


§ ita § - Jul 02, 2003 2:03:43 pm PDT #2833 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I didn't get that impression. The "elitist" position, as I understand it that some people are more equal than others, due to their actions previous.

I don't see what that has to do with friendship.


Sophia Brooks - Jul 02, 2003 2:05:42 pm PDT #2834 of 10005
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Connie-- I think maybe you are equating social = friends, which is not always true-- you could compare it to dorm life or something.

I read the meritocracy argument as ita did.


Jessica - Jul 02, 2003 2:07:14 pm PDT #2835 of 10005
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

What was interesting to me about the tension in Bureaucracy in May was that I skipped it.

Aha!

(Sorry, just figured out why I was so lost -- I never skip or skim this thread, and I just could not remember any tension in May, so I thought I was going crazy. But David's post reminded me that I was in England during that whole thing, and only read it afterwards in one big chunk. Carry on.)


Sophia Brooks - Jul 02, 2003 2:08:02 pm PDT #2836 of 10005
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

some people are more equal than others

this is what bothers me about meritocracy-- I find my self imagining us in some Buffista version of animal farm chanting " Old Hat good, New Hat BAAAAAAAD." , like the sheep.


Connie Neil - Jul 02, 2003 2:09:01 pm PDT #2837 of 10005
brillig

Social does not always equal friends, true. I remain unconvinced on the meritocracy.


DavidS - Jul 02, 2003 2:14:55 pm PDT #2838 of 10005
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I remain unconvinced on the meritocracy.

How about if we call it..."respect"? People earn respect. People that are more respected are given leeway and entrusted with more power.


Connie Neil - Jul 02, 2003 2:16:48 pm PDT #2839 of 10005
brillig

I'm all for the respect. So long as it's not quantified and people don't start sidling up to each other and saying "My respect's bigger than yours." Unless it's Saturday night, we're in a sleazy roadhouse, and everyone's drunk.