I'm not kidding, but I can afford neither lawyers nor ads in Variety.

Oh, I'm still all for "Still Flying". That's why it was Firefly 5 and not Firefly 3.

I'm gonna be contrary, and admit I don't like "Still Flying." Because it's not, and I'm still bitter.

They're still traversing the skies in the UK, and a shiny new rocket is under construction. That's flying in my book.

Firefly 3: Too Damned Pretty to Die?

Ooh, this I like.

As far as legal action goes...eh. Given the amount we're talking, which would be the price of the semi-dedicated server for the brief time we used it, I think it'd be more trouble than it's worth. As far as the data goes - as far as I understand, you can't recover on something that doesn't have any monetary value. Unless you're suggesting they could be made to restore whatever was lost - assuming they can even do so.

Some strongly worded communications with the BBB and any sites that provide info on hosting services would be a better route, I think.

I thought small claims court is very cheap. When somebody screws you out of small sums that is what it is there for. And I'm not talking data, but the difference between semi-dedicated server and the server before it, plus downtime where we paid for service we did not receive.

My wish to do some retalation is not just based on emotional desire for revenge - though I'm not pretending it is not there. It is not a good thing to be seen as group that can be pushed around and has the ability to raise money. We paid a ransom, and hostrocket hasn't suffered. My feeling is that people who screw with us should pay a price. It saves trouble in the long run.

Plus we could bill for ita's time. (Have to check with our Buffista lawyers, but I think this is legit - and if we could do this, it should go to ita.)

I'm gonna be contrary, and admit I don't like "Still Flying." Because it's not, and I'm still bitter.

Cool with "If wishes were horses" or "Too damned pretty to die."

Stands in the bitter corner with Victor, eating bitter herbs and drinking erm... something with bitters. I don't like Still Flying at all. Maybe if/when the film makes it to a theatrical release, which I'm not banking on, 'til it's in a theater near me.

This is an interesting thing: USAians are bitter, and want a bitter thread title; but UKians are less bitter, and want a less bitter thread title.

I'd be happy with Too Pretty To Die. Not too bitter, but bitter enough.

I don't have to have a bitter title. I'm just too bitter for "Still flying" and think it makes us sound a little delusional.

it makes us sound a little delusional.

Which is where it's a location thing: I see how it makes people in America, where the show isn't still flying, sound delusional; but in my part of the world, actually, it's still showing, I'm still discovering, it's still flying. But, I like you folks, and I don't think you're delusional and don't want you to sound that way, and I want you to keep being in the thread, and stuff... so... it's only a thread title. I don't care that much. I'm posting way too often on this topic. Too Pretty, Still Flying, Revenge, whatever. Maybe "Firefly 3: Why are we still talking about this?" (show quote-- Mal in 'Safe'; bitterness-- it's gone, why do we love it this much?; and 'we talk to much' Buffista issues, all in one title. IJS).

Just a couple of thoughts off the top of my head on suing, TB.

I'm not sure where (outside NY State) HorseHockey could be sued. I don't know whether they have enough presence anywhere else. (Jurisdiction isn't a subject I deal with much, and my law school days predated the 'Net.)

I'm not sure if the Buffistas as a group could sue anyone. I don't know if we're organized enough. (Again, not a subject I work with much.)

Damages could be surprisingly high. I'd argue that the time ita spent with HH, and possibly the time the Stompies spent in moving us to Fangeek, are consequential of HH's actions.

While small claims court is simple and quick, the amount at stake is small. If you're looking to really hurt HH financially, that's probably not the route to go.

Also, what was the language of the contract with HH? Did HH expressly reserve the right to suspend without notice? And (though I bet I already know the answer to this one), was the contract negotiated, or did HH offer a standardized take-it-or-leave-it deal?

I'd be happy to look over and comment on any nastygram. But it's best not to go out under my letterhead.

But how about concerted action? We already know of at least one other group that got similar treatment from HH -- and at least one key member of that group has a reputation for not shying away from confrontation. How many other victims are there? We could coordinate and cause HH grief with letters to the BBB and the NY State Attorney General (preferably signed by residents of NY State). IOW, let others fight the battle.

Not sure I like the banner ad idea, but it may be because of a faulty memory. Didn't someone say in PF Bureaucracy that hosts like HH aren't really geared toward post-intensive groups like us? It'd prevent HH from claiming more victims, but it might also benefit HH.