Plus we could bill for ita's time. (Have to check with our Buffista lawyers, but I think this is legit - and if we could do this, it should go to ita.)

I'm gonna be contrary, and admit I don't like "Still Flying." Because it's not, and I'm still bitter.

Cool with "If wishes were horses" or "Too damned pretty to die."

Stands in the bitter corner with Victor, eating bitter herbs and drinking erm... something with bitters. I don't like Still Flying at all. Maybe if/when the film makes it to a theatrical release, which I'm not banking on, 'til it's in a theater near me.

This is an interesting thing: USAians are bitter, and want a bitter thread title; but UKians are less bitter, and want a less bitter thread title.

I'd be happy with Too Pretty To Die. Not too bitter, but bitter enough.

I don't have to have a bitter title. I'm just too bitter for "Still flying" and think it makes us sound a little delusional.

it makes us sound a little delusional.

Which is where it's a location thing: I see how it makes people in America, where the show isn't still flying, sound delusional; but in my part of the world, actually, it's still showing, I'm still discovering, it's still flying. But, I like you folks, and I don't think you're delusional and don't want you to sound that way, and I want you to keep being in the thread, and stuff... so... it's only a thread title. I don't care that much. I'm posting way too often on this topic. Too Pretty, Still Flying, Revenge, whatever. Maybe "Firefly 3: Why are we still talking about this?" (show quote-- Mal in 'Safe'; bitterness-- it's gone, why do we love it this much?; and 'we talk to much' Buffista issues, all in one title. IJS).

Just a couple of thoughts off the top of my head on suing, TB.

I'm not sure where (outside NY State) HorseHockey could be sued. I don't know whether they have enough presence anywhere else. (Jurisdiction isn't a subject I deal with much, and my law school days predated the 'Net.)

I'm not sure if the Buffistas as a group could sue anyone. I don't know if we're organized enough. (Again, not a subject I work with much.)

Damages could be surprisingly high. I'd argue that the time ita spent with HH, and possibly the time the Stompies spent in moving us to Fangeek, are consequential of HH's actions.

While small claims court is simple and quick, the amount at stake is small. If you're looking to really hurt HH financially, that's probably not the route to go.

Also, what was the language of the contract with HH? Did HH expressly reserve the right to suspend without notice? And (though I bet I already know the answer to this one), was the contract negotiated, or did HH offer a standardized take-it-or-leave-it deal?

I'd be happy to look over and comment on any nastygram. But it's best not to go out under my letterhead.

But how about concerted action? We already know of at least one other group that got similar treatment from HH -- and at least one key member of that group has a reputation for not shying away from confrontation. How many other victims are there? We could coordinate and cause HH grief with letters to the BBB and the NY State Attorney General (preferably signed by residents of NY State). IOW, let others fight the battle.

Not sure I like the banner ad idea, but it may be because of a faulty memory. Didn't someone say in PF Bureaucracy that hosts like HH aren't really geared toward post-intensive groups like us? It'd prevent HH from claiming more victims, but it might also benefit HH.

I am at a staff retreat for work on Friday when voting is over. I will be able to post the voting results sometime after 6 pm. I hope this is OK.

How many other victims are there?

I believe the Save Farscape campaign also was hosted there initially, but I don't know any of the financial details.

Theperfectworld.us also had to move over suckiness-of-hostrocket issues.

I think we want to seriously ponder how badly we want justice/vengeance, and the re-ponder rather than before we decide to take any sort of action. I'm glad we got our data and are now free of HostRocket. Although I think sharing honest, informal, word-of-mouth (or fingers) about them is fine, I'd be completely against taking out a banner ad.

I wouldn't mind if we wrote a letter telling them how dissatisfied we are. I wouldn't mind if we told them that none of our members could, in good conscience, ever recommend them as a webhost. I'd be okay if we detailed the hours ita and the other stompies/tech resources had to work, and were specific about the reasons for and causes of our dissatisfaction, and asked for a credit to our credit card account and/or called the credit card company we used and seeing if they'd reverse the payment.

Court - to me - seems like a lot of frustration on a less-than-sure-thing. In the last few months (maybe all of this calendar year), it seems we've tended to forget this is - above all else - supposed to be an enjoyable experience. I want us to put the fun back in. In general though, I'm the chalk-that-up-to-a-lesson-well-learned type of person and well... my Nana always said it's a long road that knows no turning. They'll either learn, or they'll get their just desserts.