Well, I finally caught up with a bunch of this stuff (I'm home sick again today).

It's quite late to really get involved, but that's fine with me. All I think I have to say at this point is that I'm very disappointed that Zoe has no interest in speaking up for herself. I think that one thing alone speaks volumes.

I know if people spent 500 posts talking about me, I'd sure as hell want to be in on it.

But aside from that, I don't know what to do about any of it. Zoe bugs me, but I just ignore her, unless I want a dose of the bizarre. Allyson's subhuman comment didn't bother me at all.

Oh, and I really enjoy "cocksucker" as a swear, because it's got *three* 'K' sounds in it.

But every time I use it, I feel all insensitive, and I try to avoid it as often as possible, despite the joy my mouth feels while saying it. (That still sounds all porny).

I don't think that's been said explicitly so far - where would it go, do you think: the FAQ?

Actually, I'm thinking it might belong on the "How-to" page.

I'd like to see it in the how-to and in either the FAQ or the non-filk etiquette guide. A lot of people are going to understand how to MARCIE, and aren't going to read the how to. It is a point of etiquette, and since breaching that point of etiquette would cause the kind of tension the feature is designed to avoid, I don't think it would hurt to cross-post it.

As much as I love FayJay, Trudy and Gandalfe (who are the 3 people mentioned above), I fail to see why their objections have had so much weight, when put against the clear statements of 15+ people that, yes, they are offended by this poster and they feel that something should be done.

As do I.

To return to a point that Askye made earlier, which I took to be aimed at least partly at me - at no point have I prioritised the good of Zoe above the good of anyone else.

In fact, so little did I like the whole painful several-hundreds-of-agonised-posts process we've gone through to decide whether or not to issue an official Warning that I suggested a process where X many people independently expressing their distress would always automatically lead to a warning regardless of how many people weren't uncomfortable, in order to take the distress caused to those X-many posters seriously and start proactively trying to address the situation. Because the fact that several people are distressed by Buffistina MonkeyPants means, in and of itself, that we've got a problem, regardless of whether or not BMP is a malicious troll.

Which suggestion was fairly comprehensively shot down for being pants, but please don't think that I have belittled anyone's distress. I've advocated kindness, and I've interpreted her behaviour as clueless rather than malicious, but I haven't said that the community shouldn't take action if it finds her behaviour untenable. I'm still somewhat hurt (and slightly pissed off) at being interpreted that way - assuming that it was indeed aimed at me. (OTOH, it may not have been aimed at me at all.)

edited for excessively emotive language and for sheer bloody going-on-too-longness. And because I can't. stop. editing.

{{{Fay}}}

Things got really hot in here yesterday. Regardless of where any of us stands on the notify-warn-suspend-ban-BurnAtTheStake issue, I hope we all remember each of us who voices an opinion is doing so out of concern for the community as a whole. I think we all want to preserve what's best about our community and just vary on how we think is the One True Way.

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I've advocated kindness, and I've interpreted her behaviour as clueless rather than malicious, but I haven't said that the community shouldn't take action if it finds her behaviour untenable. I'm still both somewhat hurt and pissed off at being interpreted that way - assuming that it was indeed aimed at me.

wrod.

should we all do like DB and read this thread upside down?

t ducks back out of b2

I think people need hugs and hairpats and possibly even cookies. I am once again taking requests at my profile email. I am posting this here and not Natter so that those bruised and beaten down and just annoyed by stuff over the last few days can get first dibs.

I'm guessing sugar cookies, banana bread and either chocolate chip cookies or chocolate cake.

that was natter- sorry.

msbelle, as a cookie aside, you will be glad to know the teddy bears tin you sent me was filled with cookies and passed on to another Buffista. I expect it to circle the globe and return to you, possibly filled with Japanese seaweed candy or whatever fills the cookie niche in Ghana.

Bureaus? What, we're talking about bureaus in here? Cookies are much nicer.

I hope we all remember each of us who voices an opinion is doing so out of concern for the community as a whole. I think we all want to preserve what's best about our community and just vary on how we think is the One True Way.

wrod.

And bless you for your cookie-sending ways. That's a lovely gesture. Go Team. (And now I'm hungry.)

wanders kitchenwards.

Fay, I really would like to respond to what you said but I can't.

The truth is I've gone past the point where I can use polite terms and long, nice phrases to say things for this issue. I lost my ability to do that pretty much by Sunday morning. At this point I can only say what I want without very many nicities. Unforunatly I end up sounding like an irrational bitch.

I still have the best interest of the community in mind, it may seem like I'm just out to get Zoe or something like that but I'm not. Really.