(deleted because I read "good not to" as "not good to" and therefore missed the point of the post I was responding to.)

(deleted because dangling without reference posts are very sad, and we don't have proper garbage collection)

Yep, ita. My misread. t /shamefaced

Now I'm ALL types of curious.

Hmm. I'm wondering if we should add the whole backchannel When/Where/How to the etiquette guide, as well.

Plei, yes

I definitely think so, Plei.

(And Allyson? It was no big -- I got dyslexic reading your post, responded, went back to correct myself, and ita had already responded to mine. Sorry for the confusion.)

Well, I finally caught up with a bunch of this stuff (I'm home sick again today).

It's quite late to really get involved, but that's fine with me. All I think I have to say at this point is that I'm very disappointed that Zoe has no interest in speaking up for herself. I think that one thing alone speaks volumes.

I know if people spent 500 posts talking about me, I'd sure as hell want to be in on it.

But aside from that, I don't know what to do about any of it. Zoe bugs me, but I just ignore her, unless I want a dose of the bizarre. Allyson's subhuman comment didn't bother me at all.

Oh, and I really enjoy "cocksucker" as a swear, because it's got *three* 'K' sounds in it.

But every time I use it, I feel all insensitive, and I try to avoid it as often as possible, despite the joy my mouth feels while saying it. (That still sounds all porny).

I don't think that's been said explicitly so far - where would it go, do you think: the FAQ?

Actually, I'm thinking it might belong on the "How-to" page.

I'd like to see it in the how-to and in either the FAQ or the non-filk etiquette guide. A lot of people are going to understand how to MARCIE, and aren't going to read the how to. It is a point of etiquette, and since breaching that point of etiquette would cause the kind of tension the feature is designed to avoid, I don't think it would hurt to cross-post it.

As much as I love FayJay, Trudy and Gandalfe (who are the 3 people mentioned above), I fail to see why their objections have had so much weight, when put against the clear statements of 15+ people that, yes, they are offended by this poster and they feel that something should be done.

As do I.

To return to a point that Askye made earlier, which I took to be aimed at least partly at me - at no point have I prioritised the good of Zoe above the good of anyone else.

In fact, so little did I like the whole painful several-hundreds-of-agonised-posts process we've gone through to decide whether or not to issue an official Warning that I suggested a process where X many people independently expressing their distress would always automatically lead to a warning regardless of how many people weren't uncomfortable, in order to take the distress caused to those X-many posters seriously and start proactively trying to address the situation. Because the fact that several people are distressed by Buffistina MonkeyPants means, in and of itself, that we've got a problem, regardless of whether or not BMP is a malicious troll.

Which suggestion was fairly comprehensively shot down for being pants, but please don't think that I have belittled anyone's distress. I've advocated kindness, and I've interpreted her behaviour as clueless rather than malicious, but I haven't said that the community shouldn't take action if it finds her behaviour untenable. I'm still somewhat hurt (and slightly pissed off) at being interpreted that way - assuming that it was indeed aimed at me. (OTOH, it may not have been aimed at me at all.)

edited for excessively emotive language and for sheer bloody going-on-too-longness. And because I can't. stop. editing.